jfreeman420 Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I have a stupid question. Can someone tell me how to get in touch with DW? Does anyone know if a 6265 is available in gold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Does anyone know if a 6265 is available in gold? Only 14k... For a 6263. Not the correct 18k... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I have a stupid question. Can someone tell me how to get in touch with DW? Does anyone know if a 6265 is available in gold? DW is selling on eBay, under the name watch.david. I suggest that you find one of his auctions, and contact him through eBay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted October 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 BTW does anyone know where i could get hold of a good cleab VJ 726? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torques Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 (edited) If your car could travel at the speed of light, would your headlights work? Your car can't travel at the speed of light because it would have to be pure energy to do that (only a photon can go that fast). If you COULD go that fast, they might still work if they were not smashed out by hitting something at that speed. They would be useless. Since you can only travel near the speed of light, you would see something illuminated in front of you except what you see should be distorted and shifted to ultraviolet frequencies and beyond. Edited October 19, 2006 by Torques Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted October 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Your car can't travel at the speed of light because it would have to be pure energy to do that (only a photon can go that fast). If you COULD go that fast, they might still work if they were not smashed out by hitting something at that speed. They would be useless. Since you can only travel near the speed of light, you would see something illuminated in front of you except what you see should be distorted and shifted to ultraviolet frequencies and beyond. : Are you sure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted October 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 I can not believe this, the bid is at US $3,850.00 with several days to go!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 the temptation is strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 I can not believe this, the bid is at US $3,850.00 with several days to go!! Two words. Shill bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torques Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Two words. Shill bids. Affirmative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Negative. I know of several of those bidders, and have sold Daytona cases to a couple of them. Collector, is it really so surprising? Think about the time and resources that you've expended in the last year, trying to achieve what this watch is offering. Does it really surpise you that people are willing to spend a few thousand on a "quick fix"? Would anyone like to modify their earlier estimates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted October 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 @Avitt, it would not suprise me if the watch sold for around $6K, but the rate the bids are raking in and with the bidders who are putting these bids, when there is still 8 days left nobody knows where the bidding will end. I know these bidders as i have bid against them on other items, and for me this looks only like they are warming up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Negative. I know of several of those bidders, and have sold Daytona cases to a couple of them. Collector, is it really so surprising? Think about the time and resources that you've expended in the last year, trying to achieve what this watch is offering. Does it really surpise you that people are willing to spend a few thousand on a "quick fix"? Would anyone like to modify their earlier estimates? And who's to say that one or more of the bidders couldn't somehow be related to the seller in some way, shape or form? Who knows... The watch for sale was probably built with parts *you* sold to one of these guys and is being sold under one account, while someone else is bidding up the price. There are probably a few legit bids in there... But I wouldn't be surprised if there were more illegit bids too. I respect your opinion, Tony, but I still stand by my prior estimate. The rate that people are bidding this watch up is suspiscious and says shill bid to me. The fact that you've sold case(s) to one or more of the bidders makes me suspect it even more so. I wouldn't be surprised if this watch was made from one of your cases, purchased from one of the bidders. The watch, a frankenstein, is just that. When you can buy the parts and a movement on the same resource/site for less and have it all assembled (for under $2.5k, I'm certain), why spend 3 - 5 times that for one that's made up of the same parts? The economics just don't add up. Anyone who's researched the parts and subject knows what these are worth. Case kit- $300.00 to $500.00 (tops) V72 via donor watch- $1,000.00 to $1,200.00 Dial- $300.00 via timeman... $40.00 via DW Genuine crown/tube- $60.00 Assemble/service movement $500.00 Total- $2500.00 And, that's with someone servicing and assembling (price is based on a quote I rec'd for a base service on a V72, not counting any parts needed for replacement). Obviously, significant cost savings can be had depending on parts selection, etc. If I were spending $6k to $12k on a watch, I could think of several other choices before paying 5 digits on a frankenstein that I could have built for 1/5th of the price. Come to think of it... That's the whole reason why I built my El Primero Daytona... I found it ridiculous paying $10k for the genuine (and that's for a gen, with box and papers!)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Any guesses on where this will close? I say between $8k and $12k. BTW... One last thing to consider. If someone is willing to spend $12k on a frankenstein, why not go the extra stretch to $18k to get a genuine standard 6263? They are available in this price range, verified and confirmed genuine (albeit, probably with some Rolex Service Center replacement parts and without box and papers, but it's not like a frankenstein is going to have these documents either). Heck... Here's a 6239 for $18k... 6239. If someone is willing to spend $12, then $18k can't be much more of a stretch for something 'real'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 And I have the greatest of respect for your opinions as well, Randy. Nothing that you've said is incorrect. However, I think there is one flaw in your logic...You have to remember that you, I, and the others on this board are not average. We have the capability to find the missing pieces, and get the job done...sometimes all by ourselves. Of the 6263 kits that people purchase with great ambition, what percentage do you think make it to fruition? My guess...MAYBE 20-30%....and that's probably optimistic. I know that projects are routinely abandoned, when a few bumps are encountered on the road. That's why I don't think that it's unusual to see bidders who have been active in purchasing parts in the past. You may be correct about shill bidders, but it looks to me like the same MO I've seen, by the same people, on other Daytona related auctions. These guys aren't smart bidders...they're emotional bidders. My estimate of the final selling price is based on empirical data. In particular, there is one Canadian based seller who periodically lists similar Daytona frankens (private auctions, so I can't see who's bidding). The final selling price is consistently in the range I've suggested. I think that this auction is doing well because the seller has a good rating, he has offered a straightforward description, and has included lots of pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Heck... Here's a 6239 for $18k... 6239. That's a real find! I love that dial, with the faded red Daytona...beautiful. There's no explaining some people's thinking...just like our thinking can't be explained to the gen fascists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 True... The path to building frankens is indeed riddled with many speedbumps, requiring a ton of patience, knowledge and experience, and can oft times end as a pile of parts if one is not careful. I know I've been discouraged more than once... Sometimes leaving a project for another day... But, personally, I just don't understand the logic of someone willing to spend $8k to $12k for a franken when a genuine can be had for relatively little more (+30% on $12k). These are obviously folks with some deep pockets... Or maybe a high credit limit Personally, if I had the choice coupled with the disposable cash to do it, I would choose the genuine as a solid investment, as well as having the provenance of a gen. Hell... Perhaps it's time to quit the day job and build frankens all day... (I wish) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Alright, the bid has been bumped up again and stands now at 5100USD and the reserve has still not been reached. My guess is that the reserve is 6000USD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 BTW guys, i am looking for a black singer 6263 dial, do you know where i could find a perfect one with no flaws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Alright, the bid has been bumped up again and stands now at 5100USD and the reserve has still not been reached. My guess is that the reserve is 6000USD. This is actually pretty fun to watch...with the smug knowledge that I've got two of these which are at least as nice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 BTW guys, i am looking for a black singer 6263 dial, do you know where i could find a perfect one with no flaws? Keep your eyes on the 'bay. Gens show up every once in a while. They're expensive though...the last ones went for about $1800, and they showed some signs of wear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Keep your eyes on the 'bay. Gens show up every once in a while. They're expensive though...the last ones went for about $1800, and they showed some signs of wear. Yes, i was following that one, unfortunately the price wen over my budget.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Ended early.... Wonder what the story is behind that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Damn! Watching that was kind of like a sport for me...I feel like the game was rained out before halftime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 ....Heeeeeyyyyyy!....Mr. Collector? It looks like the end of this auction coincided with the beginning of yours....Don't tell me you threw in the towel, and bought your prize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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