thomasng Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 http://cgi.ebay.de/AUDEMARS-PIGUET-ROYAL-O...mdZViewItem#top Please don't tell me George traded this thing in as genuine. It is a fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 How do you know its fake and its from george? I thought those weren't even out yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted December 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 It is fake for these reasons: - Dial does not match case (Themes dial does not belong to D-series Offshores) - Caseback numbers matches the pics george posted a few weeks ago - Datefont is incorrect - Hands are too thin and greenish - Numbers are missing metal surrounds - 12 o'clock marker is not big enough - "Swiss Made" font is not big enough - Subdial spacing is off, 12 o'clock subdial should be closer to the centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Yeah, I spotted the dial flaws, too. But I thought george isnt selling this watch yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted December 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Yeah, I spotted the dial flaws, too. But I thought george isnt selling this watch yet? I don't know, George quoted me a price a week ago, and I'm pondering whether to pony out the 450 euro for this piece. But I'm not sure if he's actually selling yet. That's why I suspect George may be linked to the sale of this watch. (Note that he's in Germany too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Wow 450euros is really steep! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swdivad Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 WOW... It's a sad day if this is really a rep being sold by an eBay seller with over 12000 feedback and 99% positive... And yes, 450EU is a lot of money for a rep with seconds running at 6 instead of 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasil.pt Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 I don't know, George quoted me a price a week ago, and I'm pondering whether to pony out the 450 euro for this piece. But I'm not sure if he's actually selling yet. That's why I suspect George may be linked to the sale of this watch. (Note that he's in Germany too). George is in Greece, not in Germany, and does not trade on ebay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted December 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 George is in Greece, not in Germany, and does not trade on ebay I stand corrected. But I wonder how the AP Offshore rep he had ended up on eBay so quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 wooooooooooooooooooooooow webauktion24 is a scammer???? this is unbeliveable do you know where this seller is? They sell watches for $100.000 - $200.000 this is like an earthquake in ebay germany history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Hm, Maybe they dont know that this watch is a rep? But if the seconds are running at 9, they should notice that there is something wrong with the watch°! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted December 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 I am so confident this is a fake that I would give away my genuine Offshore if the pictures did not show a fake. I think the seller probably was duped by someone who traded the watch in, because everything else he is selling is 100% legitimate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swdivad Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Well then... maybe we should be calling him out. I would, but my fake ebay account for that reason has been hijacked I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 I am so confident this is a fake that I would give away my genuine Offshore if the pictures did not show a fake. I think the seller probably was duped by someone who traded the watch in, because everything else he is selling is 100% legitimate. yeah, it must be fake, unless of course there's a movement shortage at AP and they started using 7750 movements and forgot to change the dials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 hmmm, maybe this is a replica, too? http://cgi.ebay.de/LANGE-SOHNE-GRANDE-COMP...ViewItem#Bild14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 to be honest, if you sell watches worth almost ONE million $, you should be able to tell that this AP is fake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted December 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 HOLY ****... That Lange is nice!!!!!!!!!!! Then honestly, he should have been wise enough to open the back, or he should have been able to tell just from the fit and finish. (A genuine AP Offshore is like no other in details). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 hmmm, maybe this is a replica, too? http://cgi.ebay.de/LANGE-SOHNE-GRANDE-COMP...ViewItem#Bild14 yes a 695.000euro fake if the AP is realy a fake... this seller is the most fu**ing guy i ever saw. He sell watches for much money and all people get him more money than others, because he is professional and make full revision of all watches... if a watchmaker make a full revision of watch, they don´t look at the movement???? Why his watchmaker don´t know that is a fake? because the seller is a professional fraud last time he sold a iwc watch with hand made engraving movement.... on movement printed dugena brand name.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratchpot Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 The ROO in that auction is the same rep that George posted. Good spot Admin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Too weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polynomial Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Hmm. I wonder did Geroge ask 450 Euro for Asian or Eta version? I remember he said both are available, but given the problems Agnus had with Eta mov. in his ROO version, I am not sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CY0811 Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Maybe the seller didnt have pics and stole them from a random site??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Hm, Maybe they dont know that this watch is a rep? But if the seconds are running at 9, they should notice that there is something wrong with the watch°! Seconds are running at 9 on this watch. I wonder if the dealer knows he's got a fake ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratchpot Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 to be honest, if you sell watches worth almost ONE million $, you should be able to tell that this AP is fake! I wonder if the dealer knows he's got a fake ... Given that he describes the watch as a "Royal Oak Offshore Jumbo", the seller hasn't got a clue about what he's selling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-Reign Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Hey guys, I started a similar thread at ReplicaCollector. Ratchpot told me someone over here spotted it also. Some things to think about 1. It is evident that this dealer deals some exceptional pieces. He's no newbie. The chances of posting a FAKE AP WITHOUT KNOWING are very low. All of those benefit of the doubt "maybe this...." isn't cutting it. This guy knows what he received. Just think about the process. Perhaps trying it out to see how it flies?? But I don't think he was being duped. BTW, trying it out on people for 8,000 EURO IS LOW. And he knows he has all the credibility in the world to pull it off. 2. This watch came from a LIMITED NUMBER of sources. Especially so Early. I don't know who George is. Is he from Puretime? Deal with Angus? I'm new here (but not to replicas). 3. These are the kinds of moves that remind us of the ultimate end of replica watches: COMPLETE INFILTRATION INTO THE GENUINE MARKET. It is a far cry from buying for admiration. But, what do you expect? This IS a BUSINESS.... ΩReign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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