tyrantblade Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 I keep checking a few TD websites hoping some day to see the updated Seawolf, but of course im always disappointed as its usually a new version of a rep that's been done to death, a slightly different model than what was previously available, or the oddest choice They seem to like gambling on some odd brands/models that probably nobody was even aware existed, rather than to spend $4000 or less on an Avenger II Seawolf to rep it from the gen, i would be so happy if i could spend $350 on a good Avenger II Seawolf repAs has been the case for me for a long time, im uncertain when ill buy any more reps or for how much Don't get me wrong, there are some id like to buy, but nothing thats a must have, especially since i csn never be certain if i will have enough cash to justify keeping a rep, snd i dont want to buy, only to end up needing money and selling itIm just tired of their repetition and I'm uninterested in playing the game of chasing after the newest version of a rep, only to find out they fixed one thing, only to mess up another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernow Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Yes and no. If there is enough demand they will rep it. Have you spoken with any TD's to find their take on it. After all, it should be them pushing the factories as to what they think will sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcardoza Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Send a photo of the gen version you are interested in to several TD's. Hopefully, they will respond quickly with any knowledge they have on upcoming releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenTLe Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Not again Fluffy...Sent from my LG-D855 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernow Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Not again Fluffy... Sent from my LG-D855 using Tapatalk Yes, again!I'm waiting for the next instalment too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrantblade Posted January 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Yes and no. If there is enough demand they will rep it. Have you spoken with any TD's to find their take on it. After all, it should be them pushing the factories as to what they think will sell. if they make it, it will sell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 China is the greatest capitalist country in the world, and has become the world's manufacturing capital.I agree that whilst some of their productions seem to be whimsical ($200k tourbillons, obscure limited edition models, fancy colored iterations non existent in the genuine counterparts), the mainstream rep productions is based on the simple theory of demand and profitability, as with almost all commodities, genuine or otherwise.Breitling could be the world to you, but in the expanded universe of replica watches, there would be many makes and models which take priority over the specific model on your wishlist. Unfortunately, you and I cannot decide what should be repped next, but as a collective force in the hobby, we perhaps can exert some limited influence over the makers. This would require firstly a platform of communication established, and of course, patience and repetitions and plenty of time. Money is the driving force for these rep makers, and you need to take into view the broader spectrum of the rep universe, which would include heavyweights like Rolex, Panerai, AP, etc.. Breitling does feature of course, but it is the overall demand and popularity of the brand and model that drives the replication process. Exceptions to this exist of course, like what I mentioned above but this is by large and far the reason why some watches get repped and some do not.If a used genuine is only $4k like you said, then why not save up and buy it instead of spending 10% on a rep that might or might not materialize? If you can spend $350 on a rep, the likelihood that you can spend $4k on a gen is favorable to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike on a bike Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Not again Fluffy... Sent from my LG-D855 using Tapatalk Now now you promised Fluffy................... To put a liitle spin on this, China is in the shitter now their markets are crashing taking the rest of us w/ them. How will this effect reps I wonder......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 I agree with Legend, there are quite a lot if rep watches that are offered as a V1 for instance, and no updates are ever forthcoming. Most of the Blancpain models come to mind. They offered the New Fifty Fathoms in a chronograph version for a couple of years before they introduced the three hand version. Since then, they only "downgraded" to a FF "lite", cheaper and poorer quality. The rep factories are in this deal for one thing and one thing only, to make money. To make money, they have to sell watches. Another factor, the rep forums make up a minuscule segment of the rep trade. The number of watches sold to members of the rep forums are dwarfed by the numbers sold to tourists, flea market vendors and street sales people. I would hazard a guess that what those folks buy is a lot more important to the factory owner than what we buy here on the forums. And guess what sells? Not niche brands, or necessarily watches that excite us, but watches that Joe Blow from Kokomo recognizes, which is some version of a contemporary Rolex. Something that he can wear home and at least for a few weeks, impress his buddies that weren't able to take a vacation.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike on a bike Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Panerai I agree but then again I wonder: If their major market is the uniformed why all the updates V this that and to be honest some really stellar offerings so so close even by our standards. Joe Blow from Kokomo has no idea......................Why bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Now now you promised Fluffy...................To put a liitle spin on this, China is in the shitter now their markets are crashing taking the rest of us w/ them. How will this effect reps I wonder.........................Mike, I certainly don't have a crystal ball, but I seriously doubt that the Chinese govt. is going to do anything to rock the boat at this point. I would suspect that they will, if not encourage, at least turn a blind eye to any enterprise that employs people. One thing that regimes like China has live in mortal fear of is social unrest. They are not going to do anything to create more job losses and subsequent unrest. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike on a bike Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 I agree, it's good for reps anything that keeps money flowing people working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 I dunno, but I'd give Ken's left nut for an old 809. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrantblade Posted January 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 The thing is the used updated breitlings sometimes show up for $2500 or less, $4000 or so would be brand newEven $2500 is an impossibility right now, i just can't manage to save much money no matter what i do right now, that wont change unless1. My factory job starts needing overtime on a regular basis, its happened before, but i work for a cheap factory (my pay is just below $10 an hour)- its not that they aren't making a lot of money (sales climbing to $20 million), they would just rather not pay overtime at all - they complain about spending money on things that can only help them make more2. I pick up a 2nd job that offers probably 20 hours a week, making up for the overtime i rarely get, not really favorable as then ill be too exhausted to do anything but work and sleep and ill be miserable. 3. I reduce my bills, its coming down the pipelines within a few years, then i will have to buy insurance and save money for implants This is why all i can do is wait and hope, $350 for a rep i can manage, i have had a few reps before and managed to pay bills (i only have 1 $300 rep right now) i will not be able to pay $2800 on a gray market website unless work picks up and im able to work 70 hour weeksSo you see, what is easy for you guys, is not for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UmpaHimself Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 Not again Fluffy... Sent from my LG-D855 using TapatalkI dunno, but I'd give Ken's left nut for an old 809. Thinking the same thing. I would love a 40mm Navitimer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 Yeah but check it... that's an old AOPA Cosmonaut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UmpaHimself Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 Yeah but check it... that's an old AOPA Cosmonaut. Ive never seen that model before. Tell me moooaaar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 Many decades ago the lines between manufacturers were a little more blurred. Wakmann / Gigandet made pilot chronos for AOPA (aircraft owners and pilots association) and Breitling noticed. So the case stayed the same and a couple complications were dropped and a slide rule was added. That was the first Navitimer as we know it now. Then Breitling chose a different case and voila' we had the 809.It's a short progression from this:To this:To this: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreww Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 I'm with Nanuq on this one. Breitling IMO has not done anything exciting in the past decade. I'd prefer the rep makers to go backwards and do some vintage pieces. Think about how well an accurate Navitimer Fighters would go over! And i'm not talking about a crappy shiny cased, flat glass POS like they've done in the past. I'd love to see a reissue of the fantastic titanium Chrono Avenger. The AOPA Navi's would be awesome as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrantblade Posted January 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 http://i.imgur.com/s6B8XUp.jpgWhy no love for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernow Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 http://i.imgur.com/s6B8XUp.jpgWhy no love for this?......because it's just another run of the mill Breitling - to most people anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSHen Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 I'll be honest, I am surprised as well. Not because I love Breitlings but because it seems like most of the people I talk to do. These are not "watch people" but rather everyday people and they usually point out Breitlings and say positive things. I don't know if it's the big packaging or the commercial sponsors or the whole "aviator" feel but I feel like they get a lot of love. These are people probably unwilling to shell out the money for them but like the style so I would imagine more than a few would find themselves looking for a replica. Maybe the factories aren't working on updating because this customer group doesn't care about quality or accuracy to gens? They're just happy with a cheapie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrantblade Posted January 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 ......because it's just another run of the mill Breitling - to most people anyway. the avenger seawolf looked run of the mill, serious diver that looked boring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcardoza Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 1 hour ago, tyrantblade said: the avenger seawolf looked run of the mill, serious diver that looked boring Like everything else in life, YMMV........ I think the Seawolf is an awesome design and my yellow dial SW gets loads of wrist time. If they'd re-issue the Blue Dial version, I'd scoop it up in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrantblade Posted January 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) I know lots of people bought the old Breitling reps, the Avenger II series is simply an improvement over the old models, especially in the case of the Seawolfs with the odd number font, which wasn't even chromed (just the start of the differences) Plus the Cobra Yellow beats the old pale yellow all day long, whats not to get? If old models sold well (and still do, both from dealers and M2M) of course updated models will sell good, especially divers Edited January 12, 2016 by tyrantblade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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