TheSociety Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Guys I appreciate the input. Either way I think it's a great buy. I have about $1400 in the Cartier one. This is what it has when I got it. The bezel I added later from my dads parts pin of gen parts so im pretty sure it's a gen bezel - I'll take someBetter pics of it on the gen rivet when I get a chanceRolex Daytona 6239 Paul Newman Tiffany GEN Dial (refinished, one-off)GEN PushersGEN CrystalGEN Rivet Bracelet (in amazing shape) GEN spec spring barsAthaya Crown / Stem / TubeCase softened Serviced movementSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleebeauregard@yahoo.com Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Here's a great article on the "Paul Newman", aka "exotic" Daytona dials. https://www.revolution.watch/paul-newman-daytona-101/ It's well known that when these dials were first released, they were very unpopular-- many of the early Daytonas with the exotic dials sat on the shelves of ADs for years, even decades without being sold. In some cases, the watches were actually refitted with the more "standard" dials. Unlike today, where Rolex controls and manufactures literally every single piece that is used in their watches, at the time these Daytona reference series were produced, Singer was the principal supplier of dials for Rolex watches. There is at least some evidence to suggest that many more of these "exotic" dials were produced by Singer than were ever used by Rolex, thus the potential for one to be able to find an exotic dial that wasn't used on a production watch. These are still rarities however, and obviously, the vast majority of "genuine" exotic dials are fakes-- some are simply much better than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prdubis Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Sorry to ask again, but what are the movements in these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paristoto Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 4 hours ago, TheSociety said: That looks beautiful bro! Ps when are you gonna sell me the panda silver dial? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Hang in there. I need to get my builds done first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleebeauregard@yahoo.com Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Forgot to include these-- a couple more very interesting articles on the PN dials: https://www.revolution.watch/paul-newman-daytonas-the-controversies/ https://www.revolution.watch/paul-newman-daytona-101-screw-pushers/ It's likely the folklore and controversy surrounding the "exotic dial" Daytonas will only continue to grow over time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSociety Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Hang in there. I need to get my builds done first Pls make put me first in line love your Franken build! what else do you need to source?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSociety Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Forgot to include these-- a couple more very interesting articles on the PN dials:https://www.revolution.watch/paul-newman-daytonas-the-controversies/https://www.revolution.watch/paul-newman-daytona-101-screw-pushers/ It's likely the folklore and controversy surrounding the "exotic dial" Daytonas will only continue to grow over time...Incredible read. I need to get your Franken and mine together for a photoshoot! Let me know if you're ever in California Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleebeauregard@yahoo.com Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 22 minutes ago, TheSociety said: Incredible read. I need to get your Franken and mine together for a photoshoot! Let me know if you're ever in California Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Ha ha, will do! Perhaps between us we can create the "Hodinkee Definitive Guide to Newman Frankentonas", lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 2 hours ago, cleebeauregard@yahoo.com said: Here's a great article on the "Paul Newman", aka "exotic" Daytona dials. https://www.revolution.watch/paul-newman-daytona-101/ It's well known that when these dials were first released, they were very unpopular-- many of the early Daytonas with the exotic dials sat on the shelves of ADs for years, even decades without being sold. In some cases, the watches were actually refitted with the more "standard" dials. Unlike today, where Rolex controls and manufactures literally every single piece that is used in their watches, at the time these Daytona reference series were produced, Singer was the principal supplier of dials for Rolex watches. There is at least some evidence to suggest that many more of these "exotic" dials were produced by Singer than were ever used by Rolex, thus the potential for one to be able to find an exotic dial that wasn't used on a production watch. These are still rarities however, and obviously, the vast majority of "genuine" exotic dials are fakes-- some are simply much better than others. correct about the Cosmographs, they were definitely slow sellers. Some languished on AD's shelves and in their safe for years. In fact it was a common thing down here where I live to get a Cosmograph thrown in when one purchased an 18K gold Day Date! While there may have been Singer dials produced that never were delivered to Rolex, I seriously doubt that once the Rolex dials (actually used in watches) started to increase in value, the Singer dials wouldn't go up at the same rate. I would agree that unless one had and iron clad provenance, I would be skeptical as to the authenticity of any Daytona dial being offered at "below market" price. These watches are in the rarified strata of truly serious collectible watches. When one enters this world with the intent of participating, they better be very, very knowledgeable, or have someone they trust who is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSociety Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Well in any case like I said I think I paid a very fair given the mods / gen parts (regardless of whether the dials are reprints on gen plates etc) / gen rivet and case works Also here's a look at the elusive DW 6263 Albino Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paristoto Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Well in any case like I said I think I paid a very fair given the mods / gen parts (regardless of whether the dials are reprints on gen plates etc) / gen rivet and case works Also here's a look at the elusive DW 6263 Albino Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI believe this Albino was mine to start with. I should have the pics somewhere. Let me find them. Not as good pics as yours but it was a DW albino with the exact same specs as yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max72 Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 I sold all my super frankens and parts and now I have enough money to buy a gen Daytona, not a PN of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paristoto Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 I sold all my super frankens and parts and now I have enough money to buy a gen Daytona, not a PN of courseA nice 6263 non PN would be what? 25-35k depending on condition b&p? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSociety Posted October 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 I believe this Albino was mine to start with. I should have the pics somewhere. Let me find them. Not as good pics as yours but it was a DW albino with the exact same specs as yours. Wow that's STUNNING Bro. Funny that it would be yours. There are only 4 known examples that I have counted across 4 forums - all DW of course. I know he probably made more but whatever happened to them we will never know! Your collection is seriously impressive! What are your plans for the Franken? Someday I will get the courage to do a Gen movement Valjoux 72 build!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paristoto Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Wow that's STUNNING Bro. Funny that it would be yours. There are only 4 known examples that I have counted across 4 forums - all DW of course. I know he probably made more but whatever happened to them we will never know! Your collection is seriously impressive! What are your plans for the Franken? Someday I will get the courage to do a Gen movement Valjoux 72 build!Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat's nothing. My collection is 40 Rolex strong. I think I need help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSociety Posted October 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 That's nothing. My collection is 40 Rolex strong. I think I need help. You're in GEN PN territory Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paristoto Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Just a tiny look. The 1655 was Rolojack franken. The 5513 tropical was Slay. The Reds on top are fabulous. And the various chronographs are...not going anywhere loool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retina Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 That's nothing. My collection is 40 Rolex strong. I think I need help. We all do Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSociety Posted October 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Just a tiny look. The 1655 was Rolojack franken. The 5513 tropical was Slay. The Reds on top are fabulous. And the various chronographs are...not going anywhere loool. Wow stunning! Is that pillows from Donerix's line of beautiful watch boxes?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paristoto Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 That's Donerix guy. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retina Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 I only have one PN in my fora Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSociety Posted October 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 @retina specs? I'll buy it when you want to upgrade haha Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk@paristoto classy bro, classy!!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retina Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 @retina specs? I'll buy it when you want to upgrade haha Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk@paristoto classy bro, classy!!Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt was my first PN, unlikely I'll let it go though... I never really got hard into the PN daytonas for some reason... they are great to wear with suits though Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paristoto Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 We all do Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMaybe a watch doctor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSociety Posted October 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 @paristoto@retina maybe this is why people buy GEN! They can only afford one or two haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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