gran Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Correct name for the IWC Jones in French is PORTUGIESER F.A. JONES I am seriously considering buying the IWC Jones replica The front of the IWC Jones replica is as stunningly beautiful as it is accurate but the movement displayed on the back of the replica is very plain indeed. The Replica movement has no decorations what so ever. This is a picture of the genuine movement Has anyone heard that an improved version of this IWC will ever be made or is the one offered the ultimate version? And would there even be a point in getting decorations on the movement used in the replica since ther is no way it can resemple the hand-made Jones 98290 calibre used in the genuine? Input please G. Picture of the replica movement on trustys site: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 no problem my friend purchase the Jones replica and rebuild a better movement look my unitas 6498-1 with cotes de geneve style and blue screws or my special unitas 6497-1 ( i have same as 6498-1) look on my ebay store: swiss_watch_tools_parts look here: http://stores.ebay.com/swiss-watch-tools-parts for rwg friends i will give 30% discount. And you can sell your old standard 6498 movement in ebay, so you have not lost much money but a better and beautiful watch... i am waiting for a dealer how can get the jones in europe (because customs problems in germany)... if i purchase the Jones i will rebuild a special unitas 6498-1 movement with retail price of 1100$... and than i will show you pics. i am sure, that my project Jones will look better than genuine Jones. My special movement looks better than genuine jones movement. Genuine Jones movemnt looks good but is nothing special. regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 The only thing i can think of is a potential waste of about five hours, but if anyone's ever been fooled, like me, by the printed-on-clear-plastic "engraving" on a movement this has a chance of working: 1) find a good high res pic of the movement 2) import into photoshop and resize to actual size of the 6498. 3) remove everything but the engraving and printing on the bridges 4)print onto clear adhesive vellum 5)stick onto rep bridges 6)have one of our mod artistes mill around the "printed" dial to duplicate the shape of the OEM bridges. In the unlikely event that works, the super-anal could paint the jewel-sockets goldand even drill the winding gears and insert dummy screw heads w/ shaved off stems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted April 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Thanks for the input tourbillon1801 you have brought this thread to another level.....and I can appreciate the arguments that your movements are beautiful in their own right. good point. Genuine Jones movemnt looks good but is nothing special. In a historical/horological perspective the Jones calibre (movement) is special indeed. See this link: http://www.awco.org/European/IWC/IWC.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted April 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 In the unlikely event that works, the super-anal could paint the jewel-sockets goldand even drill the winding gears and insert dummy screw heads w/ shaved off stems. Now that is crasy.....thanks for the input archibald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 dear Gunnar is is your choose use the standard movement in your Jones replica or rebuild a higher quality movement. I like higher quality movement. And if my project Jones with new special movement is ready i will send you some pics... but do not jealous and this project is not expansive... example: 268$ for IWC Jones from river, + 169$ for my higher quality movement, sell old standard movement in ebay for nearly 80-100$... total price of project Jones: 340-360$ look eddie lee want 329$ ONLY for the watch with bad standard movement. I don´t understand your criticism. And not forget my friend: genuine watch with genuine movement looks good, but cost 9.500$ you know the difference between 360$ and 9.500$???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted April 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 I don´t understand your criticism. I was mildly praising you tourbillon1801 I think your setup is very interesting g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjajh Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 @Gunnar Simple solution: Buy the replica and keep it on your wrist. No hassle...no one see the back and you are happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Timing Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 tourbillion.. i saw your ebay store project watches....you are right...those blue screws make all the difference perfect timing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted April 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 @Gunnar Simple solution: Buy the replica and keep it on your wrist. No hassle...no one see the back and you are happy You know as well as me that a crazy watch nut like me is not able to resist taking it of my wrist. I would be happier if the movement had at least the "cotes de geneve" ..but then tourbillon1801 has given us a very good solution to what can be done. Maybe the best is to change the movement with a nicer looking one. Regards Gunnar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 I especially like the decorated reshaped bridges and balance with microstella adjustment on tourbillon's 6497/8's! Very nice touch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Maybe the best is to change the movement with a nicer looking one. You could also make friends with a watchmaking student and 'volunteer' your plain 6498 to be the student's work piece for his/her course I've seen some incredible transformations of UT6497/8 movements, complete with redesigned bridges, decorations, skeletonizing, etc. by students... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertk Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Great thead. I'm wearing mine now and will consider updating movement. The face is spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Hi thank you for your statements sorry Gunnar, i have misunderstand you... my english is so poor i will purchase this watch and rebuild a better finish movement in, but i need a dealer in Europe how can get this watch. River makes me good price, but i am afraid for german customs controls. I has many problems in past with customs... all my watches are lost. Homer and Precioustime can´t get the IWC Jones yet if anybody can help me to find a dealer in Europe, i will rebuild this watch as first with better movement and send pics to our forum, if your like this "project" IWC Jones you can start the same project. It isn´t expanisve project, because you can sell the old movement in ebay without problems (no iwc brand name). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 i am sure, that my project Jones will look better than genuine Jones. My special movement looks better than genuine jones movement. Genuine Jones movemnt looks good but is nothing special. regards Your movement does look better than the IWC movement, which is pretty ugly if you ask me...but i think you'd sell more more, at least around here, if you used your skills to try to get the 6498 looking as close as possible to the IWC movement. What is beautiful to a rep collector is similarity, not "prettier but different." For the Jones, I'd cut the bridges as close as possible, do the engraving, paint the sockets, etc. Probably not cost effective to put dummy screws in the winding gears and make some dummy regulator to simulate the IWC, but I predict movements with "correctly" shaped and engraved bridges and engraving would sell out in fifteen minutes if priced right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanswurst Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Very nice project indeed. I was looking for an IWC Jones with a nicer movement... and here it is. I certainly would prefer one that is closer to the Original, but those are very nice as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratchpot Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Your movement does look better than the IWC movement, which is pretty ugly if you ask me...but i think you'd sell more more, at least around here, if you used your skills to try to get the 6498 looking as close as possible to the IWC movement. What is beautiful to a rep collector is similarity, not "prettier but different." For the Jones, I'd cut the bridges as close as possible, do the engraving, paint the sockets, etc. Probably not cost effective to put dummy screws in the winding gears and make some dummy regulator to simulate the IWC, but I predict movements with "correctly" shaped and engraved bridges and engraving would sell out in fifteen minutes if priced right. I agree. If tourbillion1801 could do that, we'd see this thing taken to a whole new level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopypants Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 kinda off subject... but, can anyone get the Jones Case without the engraving on the side "117/3000"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 look my pics here http://www.replicacollector.com/members/in...showtopic=23174 sorry but i can´t post pics here on rwg??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shultz Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 kinda off subject... but, can anyone get the Jones Case without the engraving on the side "117/3000"... @poopy: That's the only reason why I wasn't in yet. The mvt. doesn't matter but that lousy 117 comes with all watches, no difference.... Maybe we will see a change in the next future as on the PAM serial numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopypants Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 (edited) We have Gran over here, worried, about taking the watch off and showing the bare movement... I would LOVE TO see the decorations and that is also what is killing me about this piece... what about the bigger part that will distinguish it AS FAKE!?!? 117/3000!!! They should have made these sequential... that way, you never know what number is actually arriving... and on the street, you dont run into someone who has the SAME 117/3000... the only problem with "number production copies"... but like Shultz said... it happened to the pams... so why not here too... I think the crappy thing about this particular piece is... i really feel bad for the guy that has the ORIGINAL 117/3000... HA! I am most interested in the case for its simple look and ability to house a 6497/6498... and especially cuz its NOT a Panerai!!! I just want this CASE for my own 'Poopypants Jones' project... Anyone know where i might find an un-117'd case? PP Edited June 9, 2006 by poopypants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertk Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Yeah, I sympathize with you poopy pants. How embarrassing to run into all those other guys with the same serial number. There must be 100's in your area all taking them off to compare. Why can't they make real ones for replica prices? solves the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 (edited) My guess is that the population of people who know about the "117" will consist of a) a small percentage of genuine Jones owners (including the actual 117 owner), and " a larger percentage of people who frequent these boards. I don't expect to run into any from the first group, as there will be only 4500 F.A. Jones sold (and my company stopped paying for 1st class tickets a while ago). If I do run into any of you, and I happen to be wearing the Jones, and you happen to notice the 117...then please just wink, and nod knowingly, and we'll all get along just fine...Problem solved. Edited June 9, 2006 by avitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 i am sure, that my project Jones will look better than genuine Jones. My special movement looks better than genuine jones movement. Genuine Jones movemnt looks good but is nothing special. ... apart from that really, really long regulator needle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 I think the crappy thing about this particular piece is... i really feel bad for the guy that has the ORIGINAL 117/3000... HA! GREAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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