By-Tor Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 G.M.T = Greenwich Mean Time I decided to write this quick guide, because there still seems to be lots of confusion about the GMT movements. Besides the real GMT movement, like ETA 2893-2, there are three kinds of "faux" GMT movements in replicas, 2 based on ETA 2836-2, one based on Asian 21J movement. The first one is the "correct hand stack" modification, which mimics the genuine GMT movement, i.e the "hour hand adjustable" watch. This modification has the GMT hand placed above the hour hand on the stack. The factories have developed this modification specifically for Rolexes, GMT Master II & Explorer II. On this modification the date change follows the GMT hand, unlike the "wrong" hand stack modification, which makes the date change to follow the hour hand. (Technically the "wrong" hand stack version is just a standard ETA movement where the GMT hand has been attached to the main hour hand with a double sized rotor (that makes the full turn 2x slower.)) The "correct hand stack" modification acts like the real GMT movement, and it allows you to set the hour hand independently without stopping the seconds hand. When you set the crown into the 2nd position, only the hour hand moves in one hour jumps, while the GMT stays immobile. Like I said, there is no hack signal in the hour hand setup position, and the seconds hand keeps running. Good example of a replica like this is the Explorer II ("correct hand stack model"), which I have reviewed HERE and HERE. Below is a picture of the correct hand stack on my Explorer II: However this modification might be unreliable, which is why I don't recommend it. Ziggy explains the potential technical problems with this modification in his movement review section. The link is HERE. There is also another "faux" GMT movement, which is widely used on replicas. It's the "wrong hand stack" 2836-2 version. Replica snobs look this movement down their noses, because it doesn't act like the "real" GMT movement. In this modification it's not possible to set the hour hand independently at all, but you set the GMT hand instead. This happens when you unscrew the crown into date set position, and turn the crown anti-clockwise. The problem with the GMT hand setup is that the GMT hand turns freely and smoothly over the dial, which (supposedly) makes it difficult to set the GMT hand "in sync" with the local time. In my opinion, this is absolute nonsense. There's nothing difficult to make it sync with the hour hand. Just wait until time is say, 9'o'clock sharp (or before setting the local time, set all the hands at say, '12 sharp manually), and move the GMT hand exactly into the desired xx:00 2nd timezone position. When you have once set the GMT hand in sync, you don't necessarily have to touch it anymore, ever again (assuming you have a watch like Rolex GMT Master, which has rotating bezel with 2nd timezone hour markers). When you set the time (in the crown position 3) the GMT hand follows along perfectly (and stays in sync). If you want to set your GMT hand to follow some other timezone, you just turn the bezel into the desired position. If you have a watch like "wrong hand stack" Rolex Explorer II (Exp II has a fixed bezel) or "Bond" Seamaster GMT, you have to manually make it "sync" again with the local time if you want to change the watch to follow another 2nd timezone. It's also important to understand that the GMT hand takes 24 hours to make "full circle" on the dial. All GMT watches have separate markers for the GMT hand. For example on Rolex GMT Master, Black Omega Seamaster and Explorer II the hour markers for the GMT hand are on the bezel. These 24h markers are probably more natural to use for the Europeans, because it's the European way to tell time (24h system, not AM/PM 12h system). The Asian 21J version of the "faux" GMT acts exactly the same way. I have owned several "wrong hand stack" GMT's, and they have been bullet proof and reliable. There's absolutely no reason to avoid this movement. While it's not technically like the real GMT movement, it serves the exact same purpose perfectly and is completely functional as a "GMT watch". The purpose of a GMT watch is to follow the 2nd timezone, and this "poor man's modification" does it perfectly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clamul Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 very interesting for me. i think i`ll need this when buying an Explorer II.thank you.merci. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valerian Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 I know this is not new but it is great information for me, thank you very much! I have ordered a GMT Master IIC with Precious Time based on By-Tor's fantastic review and now I already know how it's gonna work. I hope it travels well. I worship all the great work people like By-Tor, Lani etc. do for this community. I'll try one of these days and write a little piece myself though I'm sure it won't be anywhere as informative as this. *Humblemumble* Yours kindly Valerian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyGee Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 By-Tor. Just want to say: "Thank You" for sharing your knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denisegold Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 Can the correct 2893 be dropped into these cases?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sneed12 Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Can the correct 2893 be dropped into these cases?? Sometimes. The 2893-2 has a different stem height, but the same overall size (width). Hand stack height can be a problem sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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