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Speaking of lumps of expensive metal, for the blood sweat and tears I've put into my Rover, I could be driving a very nice newer sedan. This newer sedan would always start and run perfectly. It would have a radio and door locks, and a real heater. The charging system would always work and it wouldn't knock my teeth out over bumps. It would also have no soul. Truer words were never spoken: "Unlike most humans, a Land Rover is capable of returning affection". This is also why I build vintage watches out of expensive vintage parts.

Just a thought that might or might not be relevant. When I was an apprentice one of the things we had to do was make our own hacksaw. We made every part except the blade and it took weeks of Wednesday afternoons. I think we all did a pretty good job and the hacksaws were nicely finished. Thing is a hacksaw of very similar design was about a fiver to buy. We didn't make them to save money, even at apprentice labour rates those were expensive hacksaws, we made them to develop skills and understanding. My current #1 hacksaw is a Swedish ergonomic model that is about the most expensive on the market. It's a tool, I look after it and don't deliberately abuse it, but it is just a tool. That old one I made hangs in my workshop and is never used, but it means much more to me. I think there is a great misunderstanding that we are all just frauds who like to look richer than we are. I think that may be true for a lot of rep sales, but I think those who are active on the forums, for the most part, just have a gearhead mentality and get a kick out of understanding, overcoming problems and knowing they built a watch themselves. They may spend the kind of money that would buy them a nice genuine watch, but however nice it was, they just wouldn't have the same satisfaction from it or be personally investied in it, it would just be a watch, a tool, a lump of expensive metal

Where are you located? I have a brand new one I bought for my 6542 project but decided to go with an ETA movement. You can have it if it will help you out. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

PAM 449 On custom vintage strap by Zeppelin Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk

Good man, you will find lots of love among the membership for microbrands. Obviously the forum focus is on reps, but I think most of us individually just love watches and collect whatever we can get our grubby little hands on. Reps, genuine, Seiko, microbrands, modern high end houses, obscure internet finds, vintage Rolex, you will find them all well represented among our members once you get to know us.

Think it's a Patek day today...

That is exactly what I think, is all about showing what you have. I was hoping to find a cheap Rolex. Pawn shop probably do well here. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G925A using Tapatalk

Hello and welcome to the community.

PAM 6152/1 on Micah Bandoiler Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk

Welcome aboard! Pull up a chair and tell us how you found us and what kinda watches you've got. Oh, and I apologize in advance for what this hobby will do to your wallet!

Depends on what you are building. For example, I have about $2,500 in my 6263 v72 build as she sits today (I'm not quite done yet). Buying that watch as 100% gen ($70k +) is just not ever going to be in the cards for me financially. I'll happily wear my "franken" when 99.5% of the people who see it won't even know what it is, much less if it's genuine. Paying $2,500 for a franken when the gen is less than $5k is a poor decision from my perspective, so it's really just about relative value. You might think spending that $2,500 on a gen is a better idea. To each his own. For me it's about more than just the money spent. It's one of my hobbies. I like the challenge of doing builds, and wearing the end result.

Alex Lee at Perpetual Watch is highly regarded on the chinese mechanical forum at Watchuseek, and makes some wonderfully crafted watches which use various chinese tourbillon movements. If you're looking for a good quality and reliable non-replica tourbillon, he has my recommendation. http://www.perpetual-watch.com/ In any case, he has done a comparison study of the various tourbillon movements which are available, and I wanted to share this with the other forum members. What follows is due to Alex: I am a Blancpain fan right from the beginning, my collection wouldn't be possible without its influence. Blancpain created the Carrousel-Tourbillon in the late 90's and I have loved it ever since. I was always curious why 9 out of 10 (10 out of 10 most of the time) of watch lovers would prefer the Breguet's coaxial Tourbillon over the Carrousel-Tourbillon. Blancpain adapted its Tourbillon from the original carrousel construction for its more visible display of the escapement instead of being underneath the balance wheel as in Breguet type. The Carrousel-Tourbillon also can achieve with a thinner movement thickness because the escapement is in line with the balance wheel. When I finally made my own Tourbillon collection, my first Tourbillon had to be the Carrousel-Tourbillon employing the TianJin’s ST8000 caliber. Then later I introduced the automatic Tourbillon DG8101 into my collection, something happened to me almost seemingly without a trace, I was miraculously getting attracted by the coaxial Tourbillon, the more I looked at it, the more I was captured by it. Since the Carrousel-Tourbillon’s balance wheel is smaller than the one used in coaxial type, the coaxial Tourbillon’s bigger balance wheel in fact is much more impressive to be looked at. In addition, the flying Tourbillon is relatively more vulnerable to be damaged by accidental impacts while the coaxial type is very solid being mounted on the same main pinion. Try log onto my website and go to the VIDEO webpage, do yourself a favor, watch both ST8000 & DG8101 & the recent added SH F-8’s videos at least 3-5 times, you might experience what I had experienced and might join the others as a Breguet's coaxial type Tourbillon fan too. The anatomy on all Chinese Tourbillons HangZhou HZ (PTS) Tourbillon FD3091 series, the carriage is not very attractive, like a pigeon, and their new FD3900 is coaxial, manual winding and off-center hands display, the beating rate of 28’800 bph, not 21’600 bph. I do have a problem with the day/night display, very ridiculous for any Tourbillon I must say. HZ FD3091 HZ FD3900 ShangHai SH Tourbillon, I like its display of seconds hand on top of the carriage, its hands are center-axis & manual winding. One of the most expensive Tourbillons since every makers had a drastic 60% reduction 2 years ago but not Shanghai. The movement back is not very impressive, too simple. The SH had already successfully made an Orbital Tourbillon and the Double Tourbillon, the Triple Tourbillon is on its way. My latest automatic Tourbillon AT series featuring the newest SH F-8 movement, by far the best Chinese Tourbillon in terms of the Tourbillon type, beating rate, with power reserve & day-date features added, and most of all, the SH F-8 ‘s price is now more approachable than its manual predecessor. LiaoNing LN Tourbillon as shown in the BHI ‘s pic, The first generation Chinese Tourbillon, has been flooding the market ever since. Personally I think it's the worst. The carriage looks like a freak, it is manual winding, center-axis hands display and very inexpensive, the BHI (British Horological Institute) Tourbillon is selling it at less than 400 pounds on the web. BeiJing BJ Tourbillon, the carriage looks real odd as well as the back, it is center-axis hands display and manual winding, the price is as expensive as the SH since both had avoided the Tourbillon movement’s price war which led to a massive price cuts. Many experts view the BJ & SH are much better than the others, I suspect mostly because of their high prices, but I personally think they are not that far better than the rest. The BJ has proven its supremacy achieving making the first Chinese Minute Repeater Tourbillon and most recently the bi-axial 3D Tourbillon as well. TianJin ST Tourbillon series is certainly one of the best, also the price is very attractive, but not their branded watches seagull , way over-priced I must say. The ST8000 is very reliable according to my over 3 years’ personal experience, both by using & wearing it. The movement back is the most impressive one among all the others. Although the new automatic ST8000 is available, ST8002ZG is in fact ST8000 with an additional rotor for self-winding, now seagull is only selling this caliber with the 18-carat gold models only, the stainless steel model won't be available any time soon. On the other hand, the ST8000 offers an attractive price, although off-center hands display, but with my improper-proportioned hands, you might not notice it at all. The advantage of manual winding is, no obstruction to view the carriage from the back, automatic rotor will always get in the way at 6 o'clock position, in fact, all major prestigious Swiss Tourbillons are manual winding. An update on seagull, they have now included a coaxial Tourbillon in their collection, again available in precious metal models only. Recently I have introduced another seagull Tourbillon caliber ST8001 with added Power Reserve & Date, the movement costs 2/3 more than ST8000. Personally I would prefer ST8000, again for the same reason, the Tourbillon carriage is the major attraction and should be left alone. GuangDong DG Tourbillon, it was previously employed in my automatic Tourbillon series, the first ever Chinese made automatic Tourbillon, currently the only automatic coaxial Chinese Tourbillon has registered a patent in Switzerland. The DG8101 is a typical Breguet coaxial type and is often called center Tourbillon. 8 out of 10 watch lovers will prefer it over the Carrousel-Tourbillon. You are likely to find a similar DG8101 Tourbillon movement by other brands with added day-date displays (DG8000). Since DG8101 is off-center hands display, with added day-date subdials on top, from an aesthetic point of view, I find it very awkward, the Tourbillon’s carriage is the ultimate major attraction and should be left alone. We had stopped employed this caliber from our collection ever since the ShangHai F-8 AT Tourbillons were introduced in earlier 2010.