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I missed this response sorry. Ok a few things. The comment about the Phong case not being GEN for the rear or the CG's is completely not true. This is another one of people being full of fake knowledge. Not trying to insult anyone. This is far from the truth as it can get. EVERY Rolex looks different when it comes to cases. Why? Because it all depends on how many times its been serviced or polished. That is just one thing. The other thing is that when you order a phong case you TELL him how you want your case. If you say give me a 1680 case he will send you what ever he has. If you order one and say I want pointy crown guards or chunky grown guards or what ever, he will make it. Get THE ROLEX SUBMARINER STORY, look at the watches. That will open your eyes. Especially the ones at the end when it comes from peoples private collection. They are all over the place with crown guards. Years ago I stopped even thinking about it. If I don't like my crown guard I shape it to how I want. But the best thing about a Phong is that you ask for what you want. I also think the picture with that phong case with the very large lugs are from when he use to use Vietnam cases. He has for the past 5 or so years, been getting cases from China. He and his son are working on a 16660 case as we speak that is fully Rolex spec. He is also possibly working on a 16710 case from my last conversation with Jensen. While I have tons of respect for all vintage guys and I guess I am one, lol because my favorite watch is the 16610, I think it is just crazy to start talking about the profile of the back of the crown guard as a selling point on a case when if it the only problem, it can be solved with a Dremel tool and a little polish.

Every year for many years a couple of guys get scammed, it's a shame to say but on this festive and holy time for many religions out come the bad guys. Now I can tell you most if not all were avoidable here are some common sense let us call them measures. If a deal is to good to be true it is. Do not pay gift unless you know the guy, offer to pay fees and send as a purchase it is the safest. Watch out for fly by night dealers (AAA Swiss my A**), stick w/ our TDs. Buy the seller not the watch but also buy the buyer an offer from a guy posting regular w/ a VIP or Platinum should always be preferred. On another note guys will sometimes pop in here to buy who are known/regulars on other boards and will say so, you can PM me for background checks on a buyer or seller for that matter.

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Sent you a message. I've got a friend with a brick and mortar shop. He's got a Rolex parts account. Does good work. Sent from my LG-LS997 using Tapatalk

Restored! Thanks for the assistance everyone!

If it runs and YOU like it the way it looks, leave it, wear it, enjoy! Don'

Should have left all original or purchased a new dial. Would have been worth 2-4k more with original dial / hands but I understand some do not like the worn look. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Gen! Nice piece. Don'

Yea a great one too! Don'

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Well I am far from being a 4 digit guy. I have made amazing ones. I own a 1680 that is completely Rolex but the center/mid case. I got a real 1680 case back and a full real Rolex bezel assembly along with the crystal ring and crystal. I did the same with my 5513. I have seen WSO and Startime ones. They are both not correct with the angle of the bezel. The rest are close. But the tension washer never fits properly. It alway jams up the actual bezel on the startime one, which is the one that I get the most for people. Phong makes an amazing set but it is not cheap. But at least it is very close to the real deal. I started with the 1680 by thinking I could do what I did with my 16610 when I started, which was get a real crystal and crystal ring and slowly start from there. But when I got the real crystal ring the phong bezel didn't fit well. It was really lose. Then I got a star time one and it was too tight. Then I got a WSO one and it was matted finish and looked like crap. None worked. Then I found a guy on TRF in Germany that had a bezel set with tention ring all sealed. I got it and it all works like butter. Now as far as Cartel. It is what it is. I hate that statement. But when you are buying a $300 dollar watch it just doesn't do the right thing with the bezel. While it is an amazing watch for the cost, understand that the watch it is replicating is 30-50 years old. Look up a 5512/5513 at the year you are trying to get it too look like. Then go from there. I dont know if a Cartel is a Rolex spec crystal. If it is, trust me when I tell you that a phong crystal ring and bezel assembly with a real Rolex acrylic crystal is the way too go. Hope this helps. I know that it is a lot of money. But that watch above is one of the best builds I made. Real Rolex full bezel with crystal ring. Real Rolex 1520 serviced Real Rolex 5513 dial Real Rolex 5513 hands. Real Rolex 93150 with 501B end links. Real Rolex acrylic crystal. Real Rolex crown and tube Phong 5513 case.