Thanks for the tips, I got the 2836-2 and with a lot of mods, patience, internet research, and miniature tools, I built one hell of a 16610 Submariner. Had to get ETA hands and mod the date wheel by removing the center hub area and smoothing out the edges and wow, I did it! Sorry guys, my first attack at this, lol. It beats at 28,800. It even sings when you hold it to your ear like a gen Put all new gaskets and submerged, water tested for a week the sealed case without the movement and she is dry. How do you post pics? Anyone need a nice 21J movement? It's got Rolex style rotor with the blue screws, and lumed hands too. Extra date wheel also for 2836-2