Kevin you've been lucky with finding the right cases. That makes a big difference. great looking watches. Here's my 2824 ETA with gen insert and a SMP GMT ETA with gen insert. I've since chaned the GMT to a blue gen insert, Lume is needed on both watches though, but since I sleep at night it isn't that big of a deal to me. Thanks to Kevin I have more projects to do, just waiting for a rainy day, Sunny days us farmers have to be outside.