plaifender Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Not sure I beleive it completely.. if it's genuine... it has to be stolen right? What the hell is going on? Everything genuine but the buckle? How can this be happening? I'd love to be the guinea pig but for 1,500usd I'm not sure I want to risk it! http://puretimewatch.com/index.php?productID=2131 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saber0606 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Strange story. And what about the serial numbers? What is the retail price of the gen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Yeah how weird is that!!! Seems very odd, I would really like to know the story behind these and the case of the missing clasp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I was looking at this as well. I must say that the pics look impressive and this is a model that I have been attracted to for a while. It sure is pricey and I don't know the gen price but I do have a catalogue somewhere. anyone know anything about these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaifender Posted January 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I was looking at this as well. I must say that the pics look impressive and this is a model that I have been attracted to for a while. It sure is pricey and I don't know the gen price but I do have a catalogue somewhere. anyone know anything about these? Gen price is between $5,000 and $6,000usd. There's a few new stainless steel gens on the bay for around that priceIf they're real i should buy a couple and sell them online! the only thing you don't get is the box and papers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bike Mike Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Looks like it was built form QC rejects. The nickel plating on the movement bridges appears to be is coming off in places. Inside of the case looks dirty and not on par with gen Swiss watches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I have to wonder if this is the reverse engineered 'genuine sample' used to get the dimensions for the rep? At that price, it's quite tempting, but then I remind myself that I'd probably never wear it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Thanks Ubi.. that is my new Mantra.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milesd Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 The finish on the movement is suspect, but I'm not an expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unregistered Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Big discussion on RG over this. We have honkytonkman confirming that these are repped made in a close factory run of 500 pieces. Still trying to verify but to me that would sound more likely than genuine factory 2nds. Still a very high quality rep, best I've seen before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaifender Posted January 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Big discussion on RG over this. We have honkytonkman confirming that these are repped made in a close factory run of 500 pieces. Still trying to verify but to me that would sound more likely than genuine factory 2nds. Still a very high quality rep, best I've seen before I'd think it's more likely too.. but why would Angus be seling them as GEN. He told me in his email that everything on the watch was gen except the buckle... here's an excerpt: (Puretime's newsletter) "Dear All, We are having a good start in 2010, 100 new replica watches are updated in about 10 days only! Please check out the new watches in Jan 2010 here: http://puretimewatch.com/index.php?categoryID=306 The following are the key replica watches we have in the past week: 1. Cartier Santos-100 SS on Leather Strap ETA2892 (with Genuine parts) Supplier claimed this watch has every parts genuine except the clasp (though the buckle also looks genuine to me lol). Even the protective films are genuine, but of course the watch is quite pricy. If you are an expert in Cartier watches, I think you will be interested in looking at the 21 high resolution images here: http://puretimewatch.com/index.php?productID=2131" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unregistered Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I think we all got that email mate Further discussion over at RG from PWC/T4D (dealer) that this is more than likely a rep of exceptional high quality and that such things have been in existance for sometime now, just in very low volumes. And when have the dealers NEVER LIED to us before (Gen swiss 2824s anyone?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peyups Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 When a rep dealer begins selling gen watches it would look odd. So I asked a couple of dealers and they told/assuured me that the parts are not gen... and they can get it too if I want but its not gen parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbrian Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 The only thing I do not like on the Santos is the brand name. Otherwise it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj69 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 When I first saw this, I thought it might be gen just like the Versace watches they were selling some months back. I would not be surprised to learn that the component parts of most Cartier watches (and many other brands) are actually made in China, then "finished" and "assembled" in Switzerland. As we all know, the definition of "Swiss Made" is incredibly lax. These may simply be assembled in China from gen component parts that have not been fully hand-finished by Cartier. The movement is likely a low grade base ETA movement with some basic decoration added by Chinese watchmakers, rather than the Cartier-assembled version of the ETA movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronos666 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 I am most amazed the strap isn't rep leather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4GTR Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Oh, its just a little white fib. At least they admit to clone ETA's now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigNickD Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 So what is the story with these new "Gens"? What parts are supposedly Gen? Which ones Rep? I cannot possibly be the only one who doesnt quite understand what our Chinese friends are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letter Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Josh has it now. He's saying only the movements are gen. All very interesting though. They got the caseback wrong on the ultimate...perfect on this one...if this isn't proof these flaws are intentional...I don't know what is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susumon54 Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 The finish on the movement is really bad. Likely a china copy of eta. The strap and buckle as well. Does look like a 400 dollar watch. Cartier movements are very well finished. I hope this helps, cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) The finish on the movement is really bad. Likely a china copy of eta. The strap and buckle as well. Does look like a 400 dollar watch. Cartier movements are very well finished. I hope this helps, cheers. Agreed. Both (claimed) swiss eta 2892: Seagull st18 Note the pins on the bridges. And the regulator arm on the balance. The so called GEN Cartier movement is most likely an st18. Edited January 18, 2010 by slickdick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firnatine Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Unbelievableeeeee......... Not sure I beleive it completely.. if it's genuine... it has to be stolen right? What the hell is going on? Everything genuine but the buckle? How can this be happening? I'd love to be the guinea pig but for 1,500usd I'm not sure I want to risk it! http://puretimewatch.com/index.php?productID=2131 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwatch Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 The movement thing is kind of interesting. However, the finish of the case is quite excellent in my opinion. Here's a couple of comparison pics: "Supposed Gen" "$400 Rep" Look at the finish of the screws. On the "gen" version, they look excellent. Also look at the rehaut and how much cleaner it looks on the "gen" version. Here's a comparison of the crowns: "Supposed Gen" "$400 Rep" You can see the caseback pics on the underneath of these two pics. Again, fit and finish on the "gen" is superb! I have to admit that it's a great looking piece. Of course, there's always the possibility that the pics we are looking at are not of the watch that you would actually get! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letter Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Well Josh is saying that the parts are not gen...apart from the movement. Not sure if Puretime's is different to everyone else though....or he's just wrong/lying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaifender Posted January 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 something smells fishy... and i don't see any tuna around here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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