Bluray Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Hey guys took my Sub off the other night on vacation and did not wear it for about 18 hours roughly and it stopped?I had it a few weeks and never tested this, is this normal? How long should it go before it stopped? It is the Swiss Eta 2836-2 movement as well by the way. It also makes a noise inside when I shook it to get it going, not loud but should you be able to hear anything? Hope these are not somewhere else on the fourm answered but I have not brought anything up in the searh related. Thanks to anyone to can enlighten me on these questions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Thanks to anyone to can enlighten me on these questions! It should go fshshshshshshshshshsh...rkrkrk or similar. Also, 18 hours is a little short. I'd expect over 36. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluray Posted September 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 hmm well I was wearing it off and on for a couple days prior so maybe it just was not wound well from the infrequent use, is that possible? It is Joshs Classic I have by the way as well. I am going to leave it and let it sit to see when it stops, but in the meantime if anyone can offer some additional info that would be great too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 2836 should have a PR of around 40 hours. Try giving it a full wind, and check to see how long it runs. As for noises inside the case- I can hear the rotor(s) in my 2824/2836/2846/2892 watches when I hold them to my ear and give them a little shake. Not loud... But you should be able to hear something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluray Posted September 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 OK maybe I missed something then? The automatic can be wound? I thought just wearing it was the only way it could be wound. So just undo the crown and wind towards the 12 like any watch and it will stop on its own when it is fully wound? Sorry I should perhaps have known this but may have been confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shimside11 Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Most automatics can be wound manually. I've read cautions from The Zigmeister that you should take care in winding this model, wind it slowly because of potential damage to the click mechanism (that's my recollection, you might want to search, there are several posts). Other respected sources say go ahead and wind it - that's what they're made for. I've had my ETA sub for over a year, and wind it all the time. It keeps great time and I've never had a problem with it. Some autos cannot be wound, like the movement in the Seiko Orange Monster. I would love that model, but the winding issue and the fact that it does not stop the second hand when you pull out the crown (hacking), has kept me from it. My own sub rep has a power reserve of about 36 to 40 hours on a full wind, if you need something to compare to. One other thing. You can't overwind an automatic watch. There is a clutch that disengages the winding mechanism from the main spring when it is fully wound. (Sorry for the clumsy technical terms, but you get the point.) The crown won't stop when it's done, but you may hear a tiny click if you listen hard. You can keep winding all day and not know when it's wound up, so a general rule of thumb is about 30 to 50 turns should get it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluray Posted September 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Most automatics can be wound manually. I've read cautions from The Zigmeister that you should take care in winding this model, wind it slowly because of potential damage to the click mechanism (that's my recollection, you might want to search, there are several posts). Other respected sources say go ahead and wind it - that's what they're made for. I've had my ETA sub for over a year, and wind it all the time. It keeps great time and I've never had a problem with it. Some autos cannot be wound, like the movement in the Seiko Orange Monster. I would love that model, but the winding issue and the fact that it does not stop the second hand when you pull out the crown (hacking), has kept me from it. My own sub rep has a power reserve of about 36 to 40 hours on a full wind, if you need something to compare to. One other thing. You can't overwind an automatic watch. There is a clutch that disengages the winding mechanism from the main spring when it is fully wound. (Sorry for the clumsy technical terms, but you get the point.) The crown won't stop when it's done, but you may hear a tiny click if you listen hard. You can keep winding all day and not know when it's wound up, so a general rule of thumb is about 30 to 50 turns should get it there. Thanks man very helpful, and I am finding some other posts now actually with this info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluray Posted September 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 How do you know when an eta-2836-2 is fully wound though? I read The Zigmeisters info on the maintenance of the autos and know you cannot "overwind" the watch do to the clutch mech but I still am not sure how to tell when I should stop winding it? What does is sound like when its fully wound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 The crown won't stop when it's done, but you may hear a tiny click if you listen hard. Dude, as what shimside11 mentioned above, you'll hear a very faint "clicking" sound the moment it's fully wound... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluray Posted September 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Dude, as what shimside11 mentioned above, you'll hear a very faint "clicking" sound the moment it's fully wound... Ya I guess I just can't hear it after like 50+ turns that's all, but I think it must be fully wound now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 My 2824 and 2836 watches have never been able to touch the PR of my 7753. Either those 28XX models aren't able to wind fully during normal usage and the 7753 is, or the 28XX just have less reserve. But I usually get at most 24 hours out of my 28XX watches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 7750's have a longer PR by design. Usually around 46 hours vs. 40 hours for the 28xx ETAs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 7750's have a longer PR by design. Usually around 46 hours vs. 40 hours for the 28xx ETAs. I'd be happy as a clam with 40 hours. I just can't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluray Posted September 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 I'd be happy as a clam with 40 hours. I just can't get it. I think I may be in the same boat as you chief...looks like 25-28 at most. Booo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linder Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Servicing should fix that as well as make it more accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayfish Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 It should go fshshshshshshshshshsh...rkrkrk or similar. Also, 18 hours is a little short. I'd expect over 36. I hear nothing of the sort on mine. When I wind mine it sounds raspy.....kinda like a gritty paste is inside. Sure dont near this Fshfshfsh then the rkrkrk of the wind, it just sounds like a spring loaded "wobble" of metal blade and a lot of clanking about and rattles! Mines is meant to be an Gen ETA 2836-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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