PeteM Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 It takes a lot more these days to get me excited P, for this I blame my age then everything else. 111J dial's top plate is by far the best sandwich dial plate made in rep form, IMO. I still can't believe people are ditching these in favor of LH dials. I built 3 watches with LH dials for members in the recent past and IMO they can't hold a candle to a 111J dial. Of course I mean top plate, bottom plate issues including poor lume are easy to fix these days anyway. I guess you were lucky mate but from the colour of the inscriptions on the dial this dial has to be one of the worst I own, I noticed it in a few pics that have been posted before I got the ones I have and colour is totally off. I had a couple of the gens and before I had even taken it out of the plastic it was a total stand out... And having the LH dials I can see why people would change theirs... I would not wear this watch as a 111 in a fit but its the best watch for the money when it comes to parting out for a few projects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever123 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I guess you were lucky mate but from the colour of the inscriptions on the dial this dial has to be one of the worst I own, I noticed it in a few pics that have been posted before I got the ones I have and colour is totally off. I had a couple of the gens and before I had even taken it out of the plastic it was a total stand out... And having the LH dials I can see why people would change theirs... I would not wear this watch as a 111 in a fit but its the best watch for the money when it comes to parting out for a few projects I agree, Pete! I also though the dial text colour is totally off. All the gens I've seen had off-white printing, the rep dial is much too yellow. But then klocklind1 posted a pic of his gen 111M (see post #64) and I began to wonder... My pic in post #63 shows a gen 111J and - despite all colour balance problems - you can clearly see there's a difference in the colour of the inscriptions. So did the text colour change on the gen dials? If so, when? Is the J series already like that or did they change it later? Then a new 111M rep would suddenly make perfect sense to me... they would have to change the serial no. on the caseback only and the rep would be much more accurate because of the inscription colour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I had a 111K in my hand over Xmas, it was a friend's one who is a big Risti (always attends the GTGs across EU etc). In direct comparison they did not match but the 111J rep did vary in colour depending on the light, in bright daylight it was more white in artificial or subdued daylight it was a cafe au lait colour. I tried earlier to take pics of one of my gen dials against the 111J but with just taking a standard pic, but the photo made it look not much different even allowing for the crystal. I know nothing about white balance or anything camera geeky, I just point and shoot with flash off and macro on or if I am trying to get a pic to crop I use ordinary distance but thats it.. In my hand the colour is worlds apart I have not seen anything in respect of a difference to the M series but hopefully others might know here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Dam..good to see you pete,we missed you around here. Hope all Is well mate Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Cheers Mike Good to be home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
permabull Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Just curious to find out what the known issues with the new 177L are. Maybe I'm unlucky but this is the second PAM177L I've got that does not work. The first one I sent to my watchmaker who said it had a pallet fork problem. I remember seeing a post here (which I can't find now) about a common problem with the keyless works, can anyone enlighten me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermanx Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 177 uses the low beat movement which is louder and less reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hawkes Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 I wouldn't say less reliable but probably less accurate in timekeeping. Also I never heard of a particular problem with the movement. If you describe your problems with the watch maybe someone might be able to help you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
permabull Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Some more details: I can wind the watch - the movement seems to wind till I can't wind it anymore, but the seconds hand has never moved and the watch has never functioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hawkes Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Have a look at the movement from the back. People had the mainspring stuck together /magnetized or had the regulater screw from the swan neck fall in it.. See if the balance wheel moves or if something is blocking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbiz Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 wanted to add, since I've now compared a bunch of all 3 varieties, that the 005 case is significantly different than the 177 mainly in the strap lugs... the strap lugs are very pointy and don't hold a candle to the 111J... if it's a SS case you're after don't even think about the 005... go with the 111J! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 wanted to add, since I've now compared a bunch of all 3 varieties, that the 005 case is significantly different than the 177 mainly in the strap lugs... the strap lugs are very pointy and don't hold a candle to the 111J... if it's a SS case you're after don't even think about the 005... go with the 111J! +1 Totally Its light and day..... I was just looking at a couple of my JF cases along with the 111J case the gen case the 177 case and 318 case.......no matter which way you are considering these rep cases (excusing the JFs) the 111J is head and shoulders above the other cases.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever123 Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Yep, you can build a nice "bastard" out of a 111J and a 005K... sell the remaining parts and you have a great watch for still a very good price! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
permabull Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 In theory would you be able to replace the 177L movement with a 21.6k Seagull one, and switch the "Officine Panerai" plate over to the Seagull? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hawkes Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 I think so.. The only difference between the high and lowbeat movements should be the balance wheel and some gear(s). But I'm not a pro :] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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