ebzen02 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Just got word from Steven that there is in fact a clone V72 that they carry. Does anyone have experience with these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 AFAIK its a val 23 clone, the val 23 clone is a hit and mis. If there is in fact a val 72 clone it is news to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebzen02 Posted May 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) AFAIK its a val 23 clone, the val 23 clone is a hit and mis. If there is in fact a val 72 clone it is news to me. From Steve at DW: "We actually do have those left, It has exact same spacing as the V72, but the subdial at 6:00 is frozen. Steve" I know about the V23 clone that sucks, but this is different.. Edited May 13, 2011 by ebzen02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) From Steve at DW: "We actually do have those left, It has exact same spacing as the V72, but the subdial at 6:00 is frozen. Steve" His talking about 23 clone, not 72 clone which has the 12 hour counter at 6. Edited May 13, 2011 by slickdick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebzen02 Posted May 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 But I asked him about the V23 last week and he told me to scrap that- didn't recommend it. This seems different. I just emailed him to confirm. Some one else over at RG was told that there is a V72 clone and that is what sparked my interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) Meybe he use different name for same item, the v23 clone is known on the forums as the mystery movement and it does have the exact subdial spacing as the v72. In any case, if it was a true clone of the v72, the subdial at 6 does not need freezing. Edited May 13, 2011 by slickdick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebzen02 Posted May 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Agree, that is what I am thinking.. Will see what I am told.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiesn089 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 I too believe that this is just a new name for the mystery movement. Stay away, better run in the opposite direction and don't EVER buy this POS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebzen02 Posted May 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 This is what this member at RG got from DW: direct quote from him: "now have V72 clone movt and valjoux 72 movt with asia 7750 model" "the V72 with 7750 parts all is perfect close genuine and all accept the genuine parts just 7750 movement is different. And the V72 price is USD 350 genuine band with crown tube the 7750 price is usd 288" Does this mean anything to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Yes, Hes got is termonology all [censored] up. Better to communicate with him in pictures then words. valjoux 72 movt with asia 7750 model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebzen02 Posted May 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Yes, Hes got is termonology all [censored] up. Better to communicate with him in pictures then words. lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 The V72 is a tri-compax movement, which has 3 working subdials. The V23 is a bi-compax, which has 2 working subdials. A frozen subdial indicates a bi-compax, regardless of the seller's description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolexaddict Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Some of you heard about GEVRIL/USA ? and movements used for these 6263-65 Daytona replica watches ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Some of you heard about GEVRIL/USA ? and movements used for these 6263-65 Daytona replica watches ? Grevil uses eta 2892 base + Dubois-Depraz chronograph module. Hence the pushers and crown being not on the same centerline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatico Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Mystery movement... I know next to nothing about Daytonas but have a 'PN' that I got from 'Paul' 5 or 7 years ago and it has a 2 register russkie Poljot 3133 (aka Val 7733 clone) in it. The case is about 37mm and uses 19mm hoods. The movement looked new but would not run. No surprise there. Is the Poljot 3133 the 'mystery movement'? Are the subdials in the same position on the Poljot 3133/Val 7733 as a val 72? If we knew exactly which movements will work with a Val 72 dial (subdial positions, not dial foot positions), it would make it a bit easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 I have both, mystery DW and a poljot 3133 based daytona. As far as i can recall it is the same subdial spacing but not the correct crown position (Poljot straight line, mistery higher crown position). will try to take pics tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhooq Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Is the Poljot 3133 the 'mystery movement'? From what I can tell, the MM has no relation to the P3133 or the V7733 family. The MM has a column wheel, and is a much thinner movement. It kinda/sorta looks like a Valjoux 23, but so do a pile of other chronograph movements from the 20th century! MM and V23: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolexaddict Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) Grevil uses eta 2892 base + Dubois-Depraz chronograph module. Hence the pushers and crown being not on the same centerline. Sounds like you know the story of these "authorized" Daytona replicas sold in France with "Telda" written instead of Rolex and "REPLICA" written in red on the top of hours counter subdial. Do you know if this chrono module has the identical subdial spacing like the V72/727 ? I think this combo is probably the same used on the "Dodane type 21" (official french air force chrono) are you gaulois like me ? Edited May 15, 2011 by Rolexaddict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Sounds like you know the story of these "authorized" Daytona replicas sold in France with "Telda" written instead of Rolex and "REPLICA" written in red on the top of hours counter subdial. Do you know if this chrono module has the identical subdial spacing like the V72/727 ? I think this combo is probably the same used on the "Dodane type 21" (official french air force chrono) are you gaulois like me ? Sorry mate, iam a vicking. I don't think it has the same subdial spacing. But even if it has the same spacing, i don't see any benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) Mystery movement... I know next to nothing about Daytonas but have a 'PN' that I got from 'Paul' 5 or 7 years ago and it has a 2 register russkie Poljot 3133 (aka Val 7733 clone) in it. The case is about 37mm and uses 19mm hoods. The movement looked new but would not run. No surprise there. Is the Poljot 3133 the 'mystery movement'? Are the subdials in the same position on the Poljot 3133/Val 7733 as a val 72? If we knew exactly which movements will work with a Val 72 dial (subdial positions, not dial foot positions), it would make it a bit easier. Measured the subdial spacing, poljot and mystery have same subdial spacing. But other then that movement is totally different and as LHOOQ mentioned the MM is a thin movement. The poljot is just fat in comparison, also the movement is larger in diameter. Sorry for the crappy pics: Edited May 15, 2011 by slickdick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhooq Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Great photos, slickdick. I never realized how thin the lugs were on the Poljot Daytona! It's been an ambition of some to squeeze a Valjoux 7736 into a Daytona case. But even if the mid-case were lathed until it was as thin as an aluminum can, I just don't think it would be physically possible. Then there's the problem of finding hands to fit, as the 7733 hand holes are a bit narrower than the V72's. Besides, 7736-powered chronographs aren't all that cheap and plentiful these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Great photos, slickdick. I never realized how thin the lugs were on the Poljot Daytona! It's been an ambition of some to squeeze a Valjoux 7736 into a Daytona case. But even if the mid-case were lathed until it was as thin as an aluminum can, I just don't think it would be physically possible. Then there's the problem of finding hands to fit, as the 7733 hand holes are a bit narrower than the V72's. Besides, 7736-powered chronographs aren't all that cheap and plentiful these days. The lug width on the poljot is 20mm, probably the reason for the lugs being thin. IMO v72 case set and genuine v72 is still the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 IMO v72 case set and genuine v72 is still the way to go. Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatronSaintofChainsaws Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Sorry mate, iam a vicking. I don't think it has the same subdial spacing. But even if it has the same spacing, i don't see any benefit. Those had the ETA 2894-2 (chrono version of the 2892A2) with running seconds @ 3. Even if it had the same spacing, the seconds position is a deal-breaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatico Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 "The lug width on the poljot is 20mm, probably the reason for the lugs being thin." My Poljot PN looks way too fat...it is 19mm between the lugs and 16mm thick, the lugs look Ok though. The midcase is 34.8mm wide centered between the lugs (measured from the back), 36.4mm wide between 3:30 and 9:30, and the steel bezel is 36.6mm in diameter. The midcase is 6.5mm thick and has evenly spaced 4mm caps on pumper pushers with 6mm crown. The caseback is 34.4mm wide and rises 4mm above the midcase. The crystal is 30.2mm where it rises above the bezel. It weighs 57 grams (timehead only). I have a PN with a Seagull ST19 and it is 20mm between the lugs and bigger overall, except not as thick. Here are the specs on it: The case is 13.9mm thick overall. The midcase is 36.6mm in diameter centered between the lugs (measured from the back), and 5.6mm thick. The case is 39mm wide between 3:30 and 9:30 and the ('acrylic' insert type) bezel is 39.6mm in diameter. The caseback is 35mm wide and rises 1.9mm above the midcase The crystal is 32mm where it rises above the bezel It has a 7mm crown and screwdown pushers with 4mm buttons and 5.5mm collars It weighs 61 grams (tho). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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