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What do you think about the new pam111m from H-Factory?


dvn

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It's OK. I would say it's marginally worse by newly introduced flaws in comparison to the best H-factory releases thus far - namely 177L & 005K. This new 111M is really a PAM rep by the lazy for the lazy. Some things are a little better but not without more sacrifices elsewhere. It's obvious this rep is nicer than a typical 111 rep of the olden days though.

+ The CG pin position is raised by a hair

- But because of the above the pivot point is higher in the lever so when locked the stub is pointing down

- Since the lever was moved up or for some othr reason now the lever tip is longer

+ The lever stub profile is not so fat

- Still no straight angles in the crown cut out corners

- CG body looks off because the crown cut out is made deeper, now part of the lever is showing through the top right corner.

- CG fit to case is meh even on the native case :/

- Movement sucks but for a different (deco) reason now

- LMP print still sucks, it's a hair too narrow and it's grayish which is incorrect for 111.

- Lume fill still makes the top dial plate look too shallow

- Hands still look crappy around the hubs

- CP needs flattening and polishing

Overall I would give it a D+ with the curve set by 111J.

111J - B+

177L - C+

005K & 318K - C+

176 & 177M - C

219L - C

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Depends on how in-depth you want to get. The crown, case, CG lever, movement, caseback and dial top plate are better on the 111J. You really need a hybrid of two using the best parts.

best to wait for new stock arrival(if ever) of pam 005k and 177L then?

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Mate are you serious? Each to their own, but I think you are being way too critical.

I think for the price point, again, this is a dream Pam. The CG is pretty good to me. A bit of modding to get it flush to the case. I think the CG Pin is not too bad. The CP looks flush and not bad. Dial is ok. Swan Dagger Plat movement which is a step up into the right direction (without any extra price hike) ...

Honestly it's fine. Strap a quality strap on this baby and go flying.

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Overall I would give it a D+ with the curve set by 111J.

111J - B+

177L - C+

005K & 318K - C+

176 & 177M - C

219L - C

Nah!!! This doesn't look right to me

To each their own. The new 111M looks good enough and better than 111J IMHO.

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That's mostly the new flaws with v2, if you want to go over the whole watch in comparison to the 111J (which is by no means perfect either, just better) we can do that too. Folks, you have to remember that if the watch looks good to you, then that's all that matters, you don't need me to tell you what to like.

But in the words of the late great C.Wallace "And if you don't know, now you know".

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This is your best 111 build:

111J Dial topplate

111J Case

111J Caseback

111J Crown

111J Movement

111J CG lever & lever pin

111J Tang buckle

111M Crystal (but use 111J gasket)

111M SL-lined dial backplate

111M CG body & screws

111M Lug screws

DSN back dial marina L handstack*

*If you have SL and can relume then just relume 111J handstack. Or if you have an aversion to either then keep 111M handstack.

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