gamakichi Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Hi I am new here. Please recommend me anyone else that make a good modified IWC 3714-01 or 3714-38 Gen Movement, dial, hands and inner and outer ar coating? I saw alot of nice work of 3714-01 by certain member and wonder if anybody else had a better luck ordering from a different individual. Thank You, gamakichi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vootzilla Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Im also interested in a 3714 gold hands on white face too. Pm me pls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lantis Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 I'm also new, and I'm thinking of getting a 3714-01 as my first rep But from what I've read the movement is a ticking bomb-- I would still like to have one though and make a franken I'm not familiar with the modding procedures though; is a frankened watch will be supplied or you have to mod it yourself? PM me if the reply is not appropriate here thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobster Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 This is promising news, hopefully something can be done now with those secs @ 6 A7750s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbjoer Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Here is the thread we have been looking for: http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/new-and-improved-seconds-6-80992.html Conclusion is that the new movement is better than the old one, but far from perfect. It can be made to work, but will cost (service + graphite treatment) and may need regulular maintenance (Graphite does not last long). Sort of good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niqlndym Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Here is the thread we have been looking for: http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/new-and-improved-seconds-6-80992.html Conclusion is that the new movement is better than the old one, but far from perfect. It can be made to work, but will cost (service + graphite treatment) and may need regulular maintenance (Graphite does not last long). Sort of good news. Note that this was a tear-down of the Daytona movement, which has a different configuration from the Portu movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texski Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 N, Can you be more specific. The Daytona and the Portu both have constant sec @ 6. I am not sure what you are referring to. And just to clarify, MBJ and All. The latest movements have additional jewels (sapphires) which reduce friction. In the previous movements, the pivots were pressed in place (no jewels used = greater friction), and graphite was used to reduce friction in this case. For those of you who don't know, oil is dropped into a jewel and is held there with capillary attraction. Once this area becomes contaminated, the oil will run out. Graphite will break down and become a contaminate and that I why I do not recommend this. If you have an older movement and use graphite, it will need to be serviced every 12 - 18 months ... basically cleaned, lubed, and replace the graphite. The latest movements have more jewels to reduce friction, and graphite is not necessary. Even with servicing, these are not Swiss movements, but they will prove to me much more reliable. So, if you have a newer watch, or are going to buy a new one, know that it is best to get it serviced. Also sharp impacts like hammering or tennis can damage this watch. G also recommends hacking the watch when you are not using it (pull the stem out to stop the movement), and do not keep it on a watchwinder. Good find, MBJ! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niqlndym Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 N, Can you be more specific. The Daytona and the Portu both have constant sec @ 6. I am not sure what you are referring to. Sure Mike, The transfer gears of the Daytona and Portu movemements are actually quite different. I'll use a couple of borrowed pictures to illustrate. Here are the gears of the Daytona (thin top plate has been removed, to reveal the transfer gears sitting on the bottom plate). And here is the same view on the Portu movement. As you can see, there are quite a few less gears on the Portu, which equates to less drag on the movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbjoer Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Sure Mike, The transfer gears of the Daytona and Portu movemements are actually quite different. I'll use a couple of borrowed pictures to illustrate. Here are the gears of the Daytona (thin top plate has been removed, to reveal the transfer gears sitting on the bottom plate). And here is the same view on the Portu movement. As you can see, there are quite a few less gears on the Portu, which equates to less drag on the movement. I admit not to know anything about movements, but perhaps this is my chance. On the top picture I can follow the transfer from 3 to 6. On the bottom I can see nothing at 3 and nothing at 6. What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niqlndym Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 To borrow another picture from Francisco, here is the complete transfer train, from 9 to 6, on the Portu. The first wheel is not visible, because it is under the plate, and the last wheel was missing from the first photo, but is show below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texski Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Good Job N! Gold star for you. I obviously don't get out of IWC very often. MBJ Silver star for you! "What am I missing?" Look closely at 9. See the pinion? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbjoer Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 This is all getting very interesting. For the first time - and after myriads of postings - I am beginning to understand what is going on with the transfer gearing. Having seen that the Daytona movement is not the same as the Portu movement, I have a couple of questions: Is there also a new and improved version of the Daytona movement? And where does the Ingi @6 movement fit in? Is that a third version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolexman Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 I admit not to know anything about movements, but perhaps this is my chance. On the top picture I can follow the transfer from 3 to 6. On the bottom I can see nothing at 3 and nothing at 6. What am I missing? The design of both Daytona and Portu movements are the same when it comes to transferring the running seconds. Portu - Uses original location for the minute counter (@12) - Transfers running seconds from 9 to 6 - Does not use the 12h counter Daytona - Uses non of the original positions of the counters - Seconds from 9 to 6 (like Portu) - Minutes from 12 to 3 - Hours from 6 to 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niqlndym Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 True...Just means that you'd never want to activate the chrono on a Daytona! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbjoer Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 The design of both Daytona and Portu movements are the same when it comes to transferring the running seconds. Portu - Uses original location for the minute counter (@12) - Transfers running seconds from 9 to 6 - Does not use the 12h counter Daytona - Uses non of the original positions of the counters - Seconds from 9 to 6 (like Portu) - Minutes from 12 to 3 - Hours from 6 to 9 Many, many thanks. Great stuff. If I read you correctly though it almost makes the Daytona a worse movement than the Portu?? Somehow I seem to have heard more bad news the other way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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