PeteM Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I havent been a member for what I consider to be a long time... though it is longer than a few regular members on here.. Now this post is only aimed at the PAM section or enthusiasts... as I dont really frequent the other sections unless its porn !! I have, ever since I joined here been absolutely besotted with PAMs in all shapes, ages and sizes.... to that end I have always looked to research and create models that I can wear with pride and satisfaction... not just rely on the OTB fayre that we can simply pay for and wear... Now when I say pride, I dont necessarily mean completely accurate but more a sense of pride from knowing how long its taken me to research the model, select and collect the parts, decide on the finish etc etc..... or as a few of you guys know... whats referred to as the 'journey' Due to various reasons I have spent short periods of time away from the forum.... but every time I come back there seems to be a different ethos about the PAM section... When I first joined.... everything was about... PAM history, PAM models and accuracy... how to achieve that final look to an accurate piece etc etc Now, ( and this might be me ) the emphasis seems to be about... who has the most accurate OTB rep, who has the cheapest, Feedback on my QC pics, where can I buy a good strap.. I see so many posts saying.... Whats EL, Who is Jimmy Fu, Whats a strap Dimple underlining to me that this hobby is moving in a different direction.... instead of How can I build my Grail watch.... How can I make this watch more accurate...... Here is something I built/modded.... etc etc What I see is higher expectations about whats delivered or the service... almost like guys are shopping in a proper watch shop.... and want a gen for rep money...! So what is it.... Why arent members actually taking part in this hobby in the sense of repping rather than just buying... Why arent they building their own... Why arent they pushing the limits of the OTB reps... after all if it wasnt for this pushing of the limits we wouldnt have these great OTB reps appearing now... the more we get involved the more the dealers/factories have to respond... For example LH, now I know a lot have recently slated him but if it wasnt for LH and others I honestly dont believe we would have these 200 dollar reps now.... as I type LH.. I wonder how many of you guys know who I mean... Where are all the senior guys and experts.... I dont see any of the guys I truly respect in the PAM world posting anymore or if they do its very rarely.... it breaks my heart to know all that knowledge is out there and nobody is looking to engage it and use it.... or even challenge it.. ! Is it laziness? Is it indifference? Is it a change in what this hobby means to members? Is it just that members only want to impress their friends etc with a gen looking watch without getting actually involved in repping/modding? Or am I wrong and just being sentimental ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwatch Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Things have changed to a degree, but I think that the modders are all still here. Even though my new 112m is good OTB, I am still looking at how to improve it. Plus I have a 205a project on the go that is taking a lot of effort and time to put together. For me it is all about the building phase. I get way more enjoyment out of it. The 112m helped me in the sense that when I F'd up my 112h, I at least had something decent to wear in the meantime, but it doesn't mean I have given up on my 112h. The one thing I wish I could find is a decent H series caseback (without the typical serial number always found on them - and the correct OP number on it). Honestly, things have changed a little bit, but I don't think they've changed as much as you think. When I first joined there were still A LOT of noob's and members just looking for the cheapest bang for their buck and once they found it they were gone. The hard core modders are just a different breed and there just isn't that many of us around. In fact, I seem to remember some of the veterans posting something similar to this post back in '09. Something along the lines of: WTF's up with some of these noobs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I think that thread would be much more 'colourful' now than it was then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 JMB, Redwatch and Hihooeyzedumdee are three members who have gone from total newbs to built-it-yourself modders in my short time here. Some newbs go on to great things, but everyone is a newb at first. You have to appreciate the process of growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackR Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 hey Pete...not sure of this - but i have seen the cycle of changes in the forum over the years i've been here... i've sure learned a lot about PAMs from many of you...its actually one of the easiest watches to build for those interested in tinkering/modding...matter of fact - 4 of my favorite PAMs are not replimaniacally accurate...i've decided to build models i like using various cases/parts in configurations i enjoy...i do find its the joy of the "journey" or "quest" of building something you are proud of and enjoy wearing... i've "met" many a good friend/colleague thru the PAM forum - and the others i frequent here...what many "buyer only types" miss are the friendships gained thru this hobby...you don't get this from simply buying OTB...it takes all kinds to support a forum - so i just accept the fact that we're all the better due to the diversity we bring... hang in there...everything happens in cycles... R- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 JMB, Redwatch and Hihooeyzedumdee are three members who have gone from total newbs to built-it-yourself modders in my short time here. Some newbs go on to great things, but everyone is a newb at first. You have to appreciate the process of growth. Maybe I aint making my point the way I want to...... I am not talking about members becoming modders in any sense.... even if you can only name 3 over the last 3 years Maybe if you just took the time to read the thread topics in the last 5 pages (or more) you would get a sense of what I am trying to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 People are excited over the fabulous releases of the past 8 months. Rightfully so. These new super reps are dominating the conversations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 hey Pete...not sure of this - but i have seen the cycle of changes in the forum over the years i've been here... i've sure learned a lot about PAMs from many of you...its actually one of the easiest watches to build for those interested in tinkering/modding...matter of fact - 4 of my favorite PAMs are not replimaniacally accurate...i've decided to build models i like using various cases/parts in configurations i enjoy...i do find its the joy of the "journey" or "quest" of building something you are proud of and enjoy wearing... i've "met" many a good friend/colleague thru the PAM forum - and the others i frequent here...what many "buyer only types" miss are the friendships gained thru this hobby...you don't get this from simply buying OTB...it takes all kinds to support a forum - so i just accept the fact that we're all the better due to the diversity we bring... hang in there...everything happens in cycles... R- Hi Rob, Great to see you my friend... You are one of the guys that got me on the PAM path and into those anal details... for that I thank you and at the same time I hate you ! I just wonder what the new guys perception is.... I will carry on as always with my own little projects... and maybe I am partly responsible... maybe I should share my completed projects... maybe we all should.. more.. to try and entice and give those guys an impetus to push on and get more involved... if not to share with all then just for themselves.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 These new super reps are dominating the conversations. Thats my point mate.... but to the detriment of the Risti rep hobby as whole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackR Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 maybe I should share my completed projects... maybe we all should.. more.. to try and entice and give those guys an impetus to push on and get more involved... if not to share with all then just for themselves.. forgot to add the benefit of understanding the Queen's English, too, my friend! i agree...i've been buried of late and definitely will plan some time to shoot some pix of the pieces i've built and or modded...my 252 is with Mike for dw raising - can't wait to get that one back...ya know, the 252 with Z's blue lume?!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Z ? Look forward to seeing those pics mate You trying to mug me off for the way what I spiel ? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
projectologist Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 You are correct in your observations. Much has changed, much of it around the edges as I still see the core spirit that has kept me coming back to RWG, especially the Rolex and Panerai forums. Not that it's a be all, end all, but I just wish more folks could know the soul-satisfying pleasure of wearing a completed project that bears the first successful dial and hands swap or even more so, a complete tear down/rebuild of a 6497 movement. In the past when I've mentioned in a post that I've learned to do some of these things myself, I would get several PM's asking for any helpful link to a how-to tutorial. Now it's usually a PM asking me if I could do it for them because they don't have the time or don't want to send it to a modder and wait 2-3 months. The hobby aspect does seem to have ebbed a little. But I'm grateful for the friendships I've made and the knowledge that we continue to share here. I also wish more folks would give instead of take... do some research first instead of coming straight to the forum with a question. And then if they find the answer they were looking for, they can give back to the community by sharing what they found. And don't be afraid to post pics of works in progress, even the failed attempts, plenty of members here to lend a helping hand to those that make the effort to DIY. I'll step down off my soapbox... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I agree...things are much different, but thats not always a bad thing. Just my 2 cents! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwatch Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 ... and maybe I am partly responsible... maybe I should share my completed projects... maybe we all should.. more.. to try and entice and give those guys an impetus to push on and get more involved... if not to share with all then just for themselves.. Only reason people are getting excited about the new PAM reps is because that is what is being shared currently. If more people shared about their current projects/completed projects, then perhaps more people would be getting excited about that as well. Only way for the noob's to get excited is to see what is possible. I would have never built my Tudor if it hadn't been for that post Ubi put up about building a Franken Tudor for Lanikai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I will see a new memeber here and they will be all excited about there new rep.....and most of the time...no one says anything. I mean come on..It's out of the box..who cares? I feel attitudes like this only hurt this community. The feeling I get is.... if you did not spend hundreds or thousands...yes In some cases this Is true...then your rep isnt even worth looking at. Many examples of this around here. I know several people who dont even come around here anymore because of this...I mod..so Im better attitude. I know most people dont really believe that..at least I hope not. The main reason I was attracted to RWG is because there was something for everyone. If you are like me then you buy the best out of the box that you can find...have the movement serviced...lumed If you so desire. Maybe a better cg down the road. who knows. I dont have to spend months /years on a project to have pride of ownership....some people do. I say.... enjoy whatever you enjoy...and let others do the same...no matter how one personally feels about It. We dont all fit under one umbrella.....I think thats a good thing Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastrmindalliance Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Imagine the excited noob who just got his first pam. He wants to know how to make the crown lever less floppy. He's a member of rwg so he goes and starts a thread, or finds an old thread on the topic and asks in there... While he's waiting and hoping for an answer he browses around... only to see see thread after thread of unanswered questions and "use the search button you turd". Amongst all the posts he reads, he comes across many a quote like this: Where are all the senior guys and experts.... I dont see any of the guys I truly respect in the PAM world posting anymore Maybe... Just maybe... It's statements like this. This is my home forum too, but i get around enough to know that us RWGers are considered the stuffed shirts of the rep forum world. 80% of the time if i want to ask a question, i'll have to ask it elsewhere to even get an answer. This is why i try to answer noob questions, even if I've heard them a hundred times. Even if i barely know, I'll try to post what i do know. yes, some just want OOB> Some breeze in, buy a watch and bugger off. So what. I will see a new memeber here and they will be all excited about there new rep.....and most of the time...no one says anything. I mean come on..It's out of the box..who cares? I feel attitudes like this only hurt this community. The feeling I get is.... if you did not spend hundreds or thousands...yes In some cases this Is true...then your rep isnt even worth looking at. Many examples of this around here. I know several people who dont even come around here anymore because of this...I mod..so Im better attitude. I know most people dont really belive that..at least I hope not. The main reason I was attracted to RWG is because there was something for everyone. If you are like me then you buy the best out of the box that you can find...have the movement serviced...lumed If you so desire. Maybe a better cg down the road. who knows. I dont have to spend months /years on a project to have pride of ownership....some people do. I say.... enjoy whatever you enjoy...and let others do the same...no matter how one personally feels about It. We dont all fit under one umbrella.....I think thats a good thing Mike Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Pete , HHHMMMMM its is you Things have changed generally for the better rep wise it started with DSN's PR's then , the A7753 Chrono's, Neither of which seem to get a look in these days. and now the 000/005's and the 111/112/176/177 are all pretty fantastic these H's & Noobs well they don't need modding. My first 177 had a crown like a Lego Cog its needed changing once I got the knowledge but now Out the box is superior in so many ways and modding costs to much with to little gain on these. Anyway did you ever finish the Deployant clasp review ?????? I agree with MMD & MaxM this place isn't that welcoming for the newbie either which don't really help, perhaps I need to hit that like button a bit more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebzen02 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I think there is still some tinkering going on, but I agree.. However, it is just natural that this occurred. Damn H factory is to blame! Good news is that it is now easier to get that grail to look awesome for less! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billywhiz Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Years ago to get anywhere near a decent looking 1:1 there was no choice - you had to mod. A lot of members learnt this hobby and as proven on here there have been some absolute outstanding examples of watches built - all makes. OTB items now are indeed very wearable, I myself have watches from RWG back from 2004/05 which are now deemed as 'classic' reps lol - but my daily wearer for the last 2 years or so has in actual fact been a GMT II whs but I love it - looks exact how I want it too. Fact is there have been thousands of members come and go, ask a few questions, purchase a watch and never seen again - it's only a very small % who go on to modify the watches further. It is a hobby for sure - and one that over the years I've been proud to be have been a part of. Very helpful members on here and lots of knowledge. Now then theat reminds me... I must get the 196 fixed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I actually think the whole Ethos of Panerai and reps have changed - independent of one another. Panerai is now more common than Rolex for young people in my neck of the woods. Panerai watches were rare in the real world - my first gen was bought abroad. I loved them but couldn't find another one in the U.S. So off to the internet and there was the original RWG. At that time reps all needed major work, everything was wrong with reps from Low A's to crappy crown guards to horrible datewheels and cyclops. Fast forward to today and the basic brand is mainstream and has moved away from "cult followers of a lesser known brand" to the "it watch" of larger brands (albeit with some unique heritage). And that combined with the advancements in rep world manufacturing have made good reps every bit as available as gens for those who care to look. Now it "feels" more like buying an off the shelf Breitling or Omega rep than building your grail of a relatively rare piece. Look at the number of vintage Rolex builds still going on. Don't get me wrong. I still love Panerai. I have built more than 25 frankens ranging from a simple movement swap and relume to full gen frankens. And I have my fave 10 left. I still sit on my remaining parts waiting for the next one to help build one of the few remaining PAM's I aspire to build. But it is much quieter. I must admit I have not gotten myself to buy one of the great out of the box reps. With no labor of love involved I have little interest. But no worries I still have friends helping me with a "perfect" pre-v, pray for that 8 day movement to complete that perfect 233, etc. The rep world has changed. The interested population has grown dramatically but a substantial portion just want to get the best looking rep on the wrist as quickly as possible. It is far less about the journey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoever Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Hi there, as a noob, and furthermore a noob who is unable to do any moods, i'd like to give in my thought, i believe you're talking about guys like me..... I joined this forum a year ago,with absolute NO experience in watches, no idea, even if i always had one, i didn't even know that a watch could cost more than 1K $ or £ or whatever. So i joined, bought a cheap rep, two and three and four etc, and my interest is growing every day, but i think you never stop learning, and i know i'm not the one who is very talented with his hands, so i prefer to let some others do the modds. Maybe one day i'll get myself a screwdriver and push my limits further, but i was already amazed to be able to change a strap by myself....with a pocket knife..... Anyway, i think nevertheless, this forum opened a door for a real passion, something i'm happy to discover every evening after work or before or anytime i can. A year ago i would never ever have thought about spending more than 100$ in a rep, and now i'm thinking about getting one around 300$....because i learned all the details, i learned to see what i bought, and what i would like to change now.... Last but not least, this hobby, and i can imagine everybody knows that, is one freaking expensive hobby.....and i guess there are a few guys like me who struggle to end their months with their underpaid jobs (even if i loooove my job)....so sometimes i can be quite frustrating to read some posts or comments, that cheap reps sucks, or that people do no modds, or that they don't go what you call franken... so give us some time, counting in years..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w0lf Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 It's great to see newer members with genuine interest in the brand, history and exchange of knowledge, however I must agree with Pete, that what's happening with the OP forum largely has to do with the fact that for every one new member in pursuit of knowledge, interested in making the journey themselves, there are tens that are in pursuit of the destination via the shortest route. It has always been the case though, that's just the natural way, what's changed is the fact that everything rep Panerai is in abundance and admirable quality per $ spent. What this does to the community is that very few of the "consumer" types are ever converted into the "research and build" type. At the same time the latter type has no incentive to share their knowledge or achievements because it would be an exercise of casting pearls before swine. Between late 2007 and August of 2010 there were roughly a dozen of new and largely inaccurate Panerai releases. From September of 2010 until now there were at least 36 that even if you want to mod you run into diminishing returns before you pick up the caseback opener. List of new models: H-factory 005K, 005M, 000N, 26K, 111M, 112M, 176M, 177L, 177M, 219L, 318K, 288K, 212I, 213I, 214H, 253I, 286J, 292K, 104I, 360M (+ we have two v2's of the 177 and 005 already) N-factory 111J, 162F, 188H, 196H, 224F, 236K, 250K, 187G, 111M, 005M ? factory 312L, 320L, 328L, 329L, 359M, 351M I found my year old post from Nov 2010 predicting the further development of PAM rep scene. I made the post right when the chrono models have hit hard and everyone's had a chance to enjoy one for at least a couple of weeks. This is what I thought then: With watches like PAM236/250K and PAM288K being put out by Noobfactory, the natural question is - who's going to do extensive modding to their every day wearers anymore? It seems that we're rapidly approaching a phase when you really won't have to unless you're sincerely want to, are bored or it's your grail that you're turning into a superfranken. Though I love to tinker with reps I actually welcome this development as I imagine anyone with projects that took months and in some cases years to complete. True, it will make our hobby quite a bit less exclusive, especially in the long run. However, the upside is - more demand = more competition = bigger variety and more accurate reps. I always thought that one of the biggest problems with PAM reps was that people who made them were not students of their work, and didn't care for the brand constantly churning out "bare minimum" or sometimes really marginal creations. We are now witnessing how this whole thing is changing. When every component of the watch is 90-95% already there AND it's at ~$300 price point, there's just little to no incentive to do anything with it other then dress it up with different straps. Just think back 3 months ago before "teh awesomeness" began, we always started out with a base that was maybe half way to 70% there and the remaining stuff was fixable. If you really loved the watch you just kept building on it. In essence, there was a tiered structure depending on the magnitude of your insanity - tier 3) the boring tier, bone stock inaccurate stuff, nothing to say about this except that if you were/are wearing it you're not very enthusiastic about our hobby tier 2) basic mods (lume / case cosmetics) - $200-600 depending on the model tier 1) intermediate mods (everything from tier 2 + crown / datewheel / cyclops / a/r + better aftermarket dial & hands if available) - $600 - 1K tier 0) heavy mods / franken (everything from tier 1 + Swiss movement + gen dial hands and other gen parts) - $800 - $nK But if you take the better Noobfactory models coming out today and you start doing heavy stuff to them you run into diminishing returns instantly because you're staring out with a much much closer watch that comes with a solid caseback. So with this variable becoming more of a constant - every $100 spent modding brings increasingly less improvement percentile wise. Over time, I think that accurate PAM reps will also help weed out possible "charlatan" modders and level the playing field on resale of like models. Think about it, when the only work you need is a movement service and sometimes a relume it'll be obvious who's the real deal and who's the snake oil salesman. The good old days of scarcity and exorbitant prices on inaccurate but no longer available discontinued reps are over. That being said, the high end non-775x based reps and PreV/PreA custom builds are exempt as there are no direct equivalents. I think all of that that I predicted already happened. What I neglected to say which was still an unformed idea but was beginning to take hold, is that with this change, tier 3 will overcome all other tiers, the post content, member projects and all the exciting stuff that would keep me personally interested would also start leaning out drastically as a result. It is pretty evident that this is what's happened and is continuing to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Amongst all the posts he reads, he comes across many a quote like this: Maybe... Just maybe... It's statements like this. I honestly dont understand what you mean mate in respect of my statement.. I can only think its not being read I as I meant it when I wrote it or in its context However, when those guys you refer to ask a question on an old thread or their search finds only dismissive responses... I dont agree there is plenty of very useful info and those senior guys I refer to are the ones that can help... not just the noobs but all of us.... and so why arent they here... I guess there are many reasons but one of them must be the changes in what the average member wants from his rep and hence my question... In addition the nature of the post itself has some bearing on the responses and the sometimes lack of effort made by the poster who expects only the repliers make an effort... and I aint just talking about noobs here I am not trying to put down any noobs or members at all..... as many have said here this forum is many things to many people.... but I wanted to know if those changes I mentioned were just in my head or something thats actually happening... I must say I am enjoying reading all the responses regardless of whether I agree with them or not.... And reading that RWG was a forum of 'stuffed shirts' Really did tickle me... because from my own experience its the one place, and I too, have travelled around on many forums, where if you are looking to improve your knowledge or enjoyment of this hobby you will find some great members and some friendly help assuming you make the same effort in your quest as you are expecting in the reply, .... sometimes that can just mean giving an explanation of what you are trying to do or find out rather just posting a 2 line question ... it all just goes to prove how the subjective POV can vary.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwatch Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I will see a new memeber here and they will be all excited about there new rep.....and most of the time...no one says anything. I mean come on..It's out of the box..who cares? I feel attitudes like this only hurt this community. The feeling I get is.... if you did not spend hundreds or thousands...yes In some cases this Is true...then your rep isnt even worth looking at. Many examples of this around here. I know several people who dont even come around here anymore because of this...I mod..so Im better attitude. I know most people dont really believe that..at least I hope not. The main reason I was attracted to RWG is because there was something for everyone. If you are like me then you buy the best out of the box that you can find...have the movement serviced...lumed If you so desire. Maybe a better cg down the road. who knows. I dont have to spend months /years on a project to have pride of ownership....some people do. I say.... enjoy whatever you enjoy...and let others do the same...no matter how one personally feels about It. We dont all fit under one umbrella.....I think thats a good thing Mike You bring up some good points here Mike, and I think you are correct. It is up to us to nurture the noobs and encourage them/applaud them for their purchases. I loved it when I would post my first rep, or my first whatever and then wait anxiously for people to comment on it. Of course, things have changed for me in the past few years, and I know I enjoy posting just for fun, or to share some new tools or new watch. I don't have that need for forum approval that I had early on. There is one thing that i will disagree with you on. Your comment about "pride of ownership". I don't build my frankens for pride of ownership at all. I build them to see if I can. As Watchmeister said "its about the journey". The endless searching for that one magic part, or the waiting for the guru watch modder to deliver your serviced movement after a long, long wait. The getting that perfect bezel only to find out it doesn't fit your so-called "perfect" case. The endless battle to complete the watch is the part that I LOVE about this hobby! I feel like I have finally conquered the impossible and I can sit back and revel in my masterpiece that now adorns my wrist (at least for a few days until the bug hits me and I need to build something else ) I guess in answer to Pete's original comment, this hobby is approached differently by each individual but in the end, we all share one commonality: our love of horology/watches. And that is why we are ALL here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 You bring up some good points here Mike, and I think you are correct. It is up to us to nurture the noobs and encourage them/applaud them for their purchases. I loved it when I would post my first rep, or my first whatever and then wait anxiously for people to comment on it. Of course, things have changed for me in the past few years, and I know I enjoy posting just for fun, or to share some new tools or new watch. I don't have that need for forum approval that I had early on. There is one thing that i will disagree with you on. Your comment about "pride of ownership". I don't build my frankens for pride of ownership at all. I build them to see if I can. As Watchmeister said "its about the journey". The endless searching for that one magic part, or the waiting for the guru watch modder to deliver your serviced movement after a long, long wait. The getting that perfect bezel only to find out it doesn't fit your so-called "perfect" case. The endless battle to complete the watch is the part that I LOVE about this hobby! I feel like I have finally conquered the impossible and I can sit back and revel in my masterpiece that now adorns my wrist (at least for a few days until the bug hits me and I need to build something else ) I guess in answer to Pete's original comment, this hobby is approached differently by each individual but in the end, we all share one commonality: our love of horology/watches. And that is why we are ALL here. You also bring up some very good points Red...and I think we agree on whats most important...community. My pride of ownership statement wasnt directed at anyone person(s). I was just saying that..one dosent have to build/wear a franken.. If you will...to have pride In there rep or this hobby...as It were. The reason I say that Red .... some will feel Inferior to those who have the time/talent/desire/money and expertise to engage In such undertakings. I feel that this can...at times... alienate members. I for one have always appericated the fantastic mods that are members do on there reps...I always will. I hope to take on a project soon myself...I always thought it would be a pam..but there getting so good now I might have to look elsewhere.. I also feel that the longer a member sticks around here the more he will desire something more special/unique I just want the new guy..or not so new guy..to know that he is as welcomed here as anyone else....reguardless of his personal preferences or level of enthusiasm. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.