tddeep Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Hey all, I'm looking for a nice franken Tudor for ~$1,000-$1,200. I like the 9411 model, and I'm comfortable using an ETA 2824 movement instead of a gen. Who is this 'Phong' guy I keep hearing about? Does he sell frankens? What's his deal? I've never built a watch myself, so I rather buy it 'whole,' or at least have the builder (concepta?) source all the parts. td Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof* Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Phong is the propriater of Jewelryandwatch Top end reps, cases, and parts. http://www.jewelryandwatch.com/ You need to register an account to see prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Just save up a little bit and you can get something like this.. not 9411 but.. http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/message/1341419678/FS-+TUDOR+Submariner+94110+Black+Snowflake+with+original+matt+dial+%28reduced%29+....+USD2350 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielv2000 Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Just save up a little bit and you can get something like this.. not 9411 but.. http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/message/1341419678/FS-+TUDOR+Submariner+94110+Black+Snowflake+with+original+matt+dial+%28reduced%29+....+USD2350 I saw this one... Tempting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tddeep Posted July 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Just save up a little bit and you can get something like this.. not 9411 but.. http://www.network54...d) .... USD2350 What is this site? I love it! That's gen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 cc33, that's the Vintage Rolex Market. It's a great (and very fast moving) place to get gen stuff. Yep, that Tudor is genuine. With all said and done, after a few iterations of different rep Snowflake builds trying to get just the exact look I wanted, I had spent almost that much. Sometimes if you know exactly what you want, it's cheaper to save up and buy the RIGHT piece, one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 I agree with the idea of buying the gen. Phong's are around 900-950 USD. His are good, no doubt, they are as close to the real deal as you can get, but they aren't. They are still and expensive rep. If all you have is 1k to spend, and it's eating a hole in your jeans pocket, then I would say phong would be a good choice. If on the other hand, you can put off the purchase and save some money, you can pick up a nice 9411/0 for 2 1/2 times the price of the phong. With the gen, if you take care of it, you can sell it on later and not lose any money on the deal, whereas with the phong, you are going to take a hit if you decide to sell it later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwatch Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 cc33, that's the Vintage Rolex Market. It's a great (and very fast moving) place to get gen stuff. Yep, that Tudor is genuine. With all said and done, after a few iterations of different rep Snowflake builds trying to get just the exact look I wanted, I had spent almost that much. Sometimes if you know exactly what you want, it's cheaper to save up and buy the RIGHT piece, one time. In many cases that is definitely true. I spent around that price for my Franken as well (although it also has a gen 9315T strap & 380 end links). The difference is, you can spread the money over several months instead of dropping $2,350.00 all in one go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tddeep Posted July 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Yeah, ideally I want to purchase someone else's Tudor project so I save that money/time. Are Phong's frankens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Are Phong's frankens? Yes there are several sources for cases, like Yuki, Phong, Min, Josh, etc. Phong makes a nice case, but the supplier and hence quality vary. Once you get a case, you add parts from other watches, building a "franken-watch". This can be a dramatic, and invigorating experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tddeep Posted July 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 So you're saying the dial, bezel, insert, etc. are all rep? I don't understand what you mean. What is gen and what is rep in Phong's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asf Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 So you're saying the dial, bezel, insert, etc. are all rep? I don't understand what you mean. What is gen and what is rep in Phong's? There's nothing gen in a phong. It's just built to gen spec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Phongs stuff is usually case, case back bezel insert dial and hands repped, and the crown tube stem crystal gen. In this case I showed you that link to give you a way of having a nice watch that you can resell without taking a loss like others have said. It doesn't make sense to dive into a project and blow $ if there's a nice example of a real one for that price. You will like it 10 times more because its gen. I love my reps but if I could afford to spend just double to get the real one I would 10 times out of 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tddeep Posted July 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Yeah you're probably right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Spend some time reading before you spend your cash, it will be time well spent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tddeep Posted July 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Thanks for the advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sardonix Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Phongs stuff is usually case, case back bezel insert dial and hands repped, and the crown tube stem crystal gen. In this case I showed you that link to give you a way of having a nice watch that you can resell without taking a loss like others have said. It doesn't make sense to dive into a project and blow $ if there's a nice example of a real one for that price. You will like it 10 times more because its gen. I love my reps but if I could afford to spend just double to get the real one I would 10 times out of 10. +1 Has also to be mentioned that the linked snowflake had a damaged dial painting. Average they go for 3K usd and up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 IMHO, don't go there on this watch. Save up for the gen. I would never build a $1000 plus franken of a $3000 piece without a gen dial, hands and movement. Either save up your money for a gen or build a lower end version. I have made this mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 you can get non snowflake models that look as good as a 5513 for $2200 on vrf, then add an aftermarket snowflake dial and hands for $200 and you have your SUPER franken. if you get bored of the look reinstall the gen dial and hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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