dutchguy2 Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Second question. It is running great and the seconds hands moves but the hour and minute hands are not moving. What can cause this and what is the fix? Thanks for your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 It looks to be swiss to me and the problem is a slipping canon pin, in the time set position i bet there is little resistance when you set the hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted August 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Hi Andy. Thanks mate. Yes, that is correct not much resistance. Easy fix to do myself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Hmmmm easy is relative, Can you remove the canon pin? Do you have a new canon pin to fit? If not you can crimp the old canon pin but the amount you have to squease is hard to tell, too little and it makes no difference to much and it is Fcuked. I would sugest fitting a new one. Is it a H3 if so i have a load here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted August 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 It is not an H3 but it schould be converted to an H3. Does this look normal to you Andy? I think I will send you an email LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 No that looks FCUKED, you need a new great wheel and pinion (part 201) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 It is not an H3 but it schould be converted to an H3. Does this look normal to you Andy? I think I will send you an email LOL. I can't imagine how much force is needed to break this pinion clean off...or how in the world this happened... I would want to have a really good detailed look at the rest of the movement. You may find more problems/damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 I did it once when i sneased when i was removing a canon pin Rob, and i can tell you i was pretty annoyed with my self!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted August 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 I got it this way in a PAM183G. The crown was broken off aswell (not the stem). Someone did use a lot of force on it for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanya Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Looks like a swiss base plate with the rest being asian As Andy said it looks Fyucked regardless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlin22 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 It's a 6497-1 low beat ETA with Asian bridges, I have an ETA center wheel if you need one. PM me your address and I'll send it to you. Andy is correct, you can tighten the CP, see the pictures using a staking tool, you can cheat and use a small wire cutter or even a nail cutter to crimp. The latter is not for the faint of heart, crimp too much and bye-bye CP. Use a needle or a copper rod as an insert to support thr CP walls from being over crimped, but again be careful and definitely not for the novice, unless you have a good supply of CPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Thanks Marlin. This made it very clear to me. I can give it a try. PM sent for the center wheel Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 It's a 6497-1 low beat ETA with Asian bridges, I have an ETA center wheel if you need one. PM me your address and I'll send it to you. Andy is correct, you can tighten the CP, see the pictures using a staking tool, you can cheat and use a small wire cutter or even a nail cutter to crimp. The latter is not for the faint of heart, crimp too much and bye-bye CP. Use a needle or a copper rod as an insert to support thr CP walls from being over crimped, but again be careful and definitely not for the novice, unless you have a good supply of CPs Blimey that is a bit impressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mir36 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 I had this same problem today - slipping cannon pinion. It almost drove me crazy trying to figure out what was wrong. This post helped. I ended up disassembling my watch, removing the cannon pinion and put a piece of rodico on the post just to confirm it was actually moving. It was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapman57 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Nice tip mir36...... Such knowledge here above (as always!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mir36 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 BTW. In order to tighten the fit between the post and the cannon pinion, I cut a small 1x1 cm piece of double sided tape (you could use regular scotch tape), placed it on top of the post, then shoved the canon pinion down the post. The tape filled the gap between the post and the canon pinion for a snug fit. The movement is working normally now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oncyte Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Not only will you need a new cannon pinion....you will also need a new hour wheel...as it looks like it snapped off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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