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Why in general do gen watch owners hate reps ?


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As a gen and rep owner, a lot of the appeal is the variety. I have many watches and even though 25% are gen, I still wear reps very

often. I would never be able to afford the collection if they were all gens. Still, there is some brand snob appeal. I (we) like the fact that my $200

watch says Panerai, not Invicta. That said, there are many lower end Swiss watches that can be bought for the price of a good rep- and I have a bunch of

those.

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Its sad if the self-valuation (and valuation of another man) of someone is built primarily upon his watches, car, house or salary.

But yes, I acknowledge that the world we live in can be a rather superficial one, and often, we are judged by what we own and what we do for a living.

We all live but once, and should not strive to please everyone. If a rep makes you happy, wear it well. Not everyone who can afford a gen watch would spend that kind of money on it.

People get rich through various ways, and financial prudence is a common trait among the wealthy. That prudence, my friends, is always worth more than the money spent on a gen watch.

If a rep is 90% like gen, and performs 99% like gen, any reason why one should consider spending 5-20x on the gen watch? Intrinsic value? Yes. You always get what you pay for. Let's not forget, that like gens, reps get traded at a different level. Look at the thriving trade section of RWG. The only difference between the rep and gen trade forums is the price level.

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Totally disagree... Taking self-worth from something (as you say, could be clothes, car, watch, anything, be it replica or genuine) that is a sign of insecurity, IMHO, as it is coming from an external, rather than internal source. I think the shallow elitism of gen wearers comes to the front so clearly on some forums and discussions, that it is clear that they base their entire image and self-worth on their ownership of an item, and people wearing reps, shows that pretty much anyone can 'get the look' without having to spend X amount of Dollars, and that totally undermines the entire basis for their perceptions of theselves. It is, in their eyes, an attack on their very identity as it holds up the mirror to them and they see their own vanity and false-worth. Of course, the same could be said for a rep owner who was to base their own self-worth on a fake watch, as that would show someone building a sky scraper on quicksand foundations. Equally, someone could take a measure of pride in wearing a rep and considering it a sign of a financially realistic attitude and lifestyle :pardon: Those who wear the 'No Rolex No Sex' shirts, I bet they can't tell the difference between a rep and the gen :lol:

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Banging this one would probably lead to jail time :lol:

no offense but you sound like living in your own world...nobody needs a rolex to gain selfworth (actually more like sadly most replica wearers trying to project an image which doesnt match their selfworth), you dont need to overcomplicate everything. maybe you should learn the definition of luxury. its just, if u can afford the thing, it looks nice and u buy it. faking something of any kind generally not well appreciated and doesnt leave a good impression on others. simple as that.

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no offense but you sound like living in your own world...nobody needs a rolex to gain selfworth (actually more like sadly most replica wearers trying to project an image which doesnt match their selfworth), you dont need to overcomplicate everything. maybe you should learn the definition of luxury. its just, if u can afford the thing, it looks nice and u buy it. faking something of any kind generally not well appreciated and doesnt leave a good impression on others. simple as that.

I quite agree, no one needs a Rolex (or anything else for that matter) to gain self worth, but the elitist snobs on gen forums, clearly do take their self worth from their ownership of them. I haven't overcomplicated anything, just stated some simple psychology :pardon: As before, the only people who dislike replica anything so passionately, are those who are threatened by said item because they believe it reduces their own acquisition. The only reason for them to feel threatened by said reduction, is because they take their esteem from it and define themselves by the character which [they think] it gives them...

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You meet some odd people on gen forums at times. I've come across some who were outwardly acidic towards reps on forum, but proudly displayed high end reps they owned in the weekly 'what you wearing for the weekend' threads. This was their own in joke on the forum, I often though this was quite funny. Eventually they were outed, not by me...but they laughed and called everybody a bunch of watch snob tossers.

Then you have the ones that aren't the usual social climbers; who can't afford $500+ gens so have this fascination with homage watches. They often as I've seen. behave like a pit bull chewing a rag doll when the discussion of reps comes up. I mean they cannot afford the real thing, they ogle and congratulate the big timers when they see pricey gen pics but even the the word replica sends them into a spin.

Of course then you have those that kindof fear reps, they are not haters, they have paid for a gen and see the quality of reps. They just realise its a steep learning curve to get into reps and don't know where or how to start. These are often fairly open minded. You then have those that can afford what they want, and have no problem with reps, they have a few watches, and a few reps that they would otherwise probably not stump up the gen asking price for.

Those ones who can afford gens but have this insipid hatred of reps are either just brand weirdos, or social climbers of the highest order. They fancy calling themselves WIS all the time (I truly hate that term, I much prefer watch enthusiast, ...less bull-[censored]!). No point getting into arguments with this sort...and they are many, they will just harp on and on about prestige and history and how fake watch wearers are fake people etc. I sometimes find that these truly need a reality check, maybe lose the job, perhaps have the house taken off them, even put them in a war zone etc. They then might have a different perspective on life in general, and have less energy devoted to such an insignificant item as the watch someone wears. I still find it humorous that 99% of the planet couldn't care less what watch anyone wears, of the rest, who actually take an interest, and actually have something in common with rep wearers.. some still want to rip the watch off their wrist and break it off a wall. Silly buggers, life is too short for that sort of silly anger.

btw some nice women in the later stages of this thread :)

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You have to justify the insane amount you've spent on your genuine somehow.

This is such an old and idiotic comment to this subject.

If not for those who buy gens,there would be no reps for you to crave,and buy,for the opposite side of your own argument.

Some might find it odd to see the amount you have spent on a fake chinese POS of the gen.

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I quite agree, no one needs a Rolex (or anything else for that matter) to gain self worth, but the elitist snobs on gen forums, clearly do take their self worth from their ownership of them. I haven't overcomplicated anything, just stated some simple psychology :pardon: As before, the only people who dislike replica anything so passionately, are those who are threatened by said item because they believe it reduces their own acquisition. The only reason for them to feel threatened by said reduction, is because they take their esteem from it and define themselves by the character which [they think] it gives them...

Again,this is such bs.

There are people that drive Ferrari's and buy them outright,its no problem. Then there are those that take old Fiero's and kit them to make them look like Ferrari's,all good.

Don't bad mouth an actual Ferrari owner for expressing his disgust with wanna be's like that,really the guy driving the fiero is the idiot.

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Exactly, TJ. Why take an inanimate object like a watch personally? Because you perceive it as part of you. Anyone who can't see that is lying to himself.

And anyone acting like they really dont want the gen of the fake they are buying here,is lying to himself as well. Take By-Tor,he finally got to buy the gens he wanted after his days here with reps,where is he now??. Come on guys,cut the bs.

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Stick to talking about reps and how far they have come,whats what out there etc...

When the day comes you find the gen right for you,thats the last we see of you here,they come and they go,everyone wants the real deal,thats why your here. Leave gen owners out of the discussions. Different forums for that.

Ask this question on gen watch forums instead of here actually,why not. Dont be fake :)

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Interestingly, I frequent a Land Rover forum for my old Series 2A. On that site the trucks are 40-50 years old and by now most people have replaced their chassis. Many have installed newer engines, often from a different truck. Then there are the disc brake conversions, axle and differential conversions, you name it.

I see the replacement part corollaries as:

Chassis = case

Engine = movement

Bodywork = dial/hands

Axles = bracelet

Curiously none of this matters to them. It still looks like an old Land Rover even though everything has been upgraded. So it's okay. The "rivet counters" are the purists and doubtless they shudder at the upgrades. But 90% of the owners encourage it.

Curious the acceptance of "reps" on that site, eh?

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When the day comes you find the gen right for you,thats the last we see of you here,they come and they go,everyone wants the real deal,thats why your here.

Oh really?

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Another bizarre observation, in my case when I finally get the gen of a favorite rep, wearing it, looking at it, it's very hard to not look at my wrist and see a rep sitting there. Curious.

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I dont need to put up pics as you know Nanuq,i have done so likely hundreds more.

I have not only given away reps on these forums,i have given away gens here too,even 6k gens. I'm on both sides and thats why asking why gen owners are [censored] off by reps is annoying.

Hey,you live in Alaska,this is as exciting as it gets right? Another bs stereotype.

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Another bizarre observation, in my case when I finally get the gen of a favorite rep, wearing it, looking at it, it's very hard to not look at my wrist and see a rep sitting there. Curious.

Funny,today i was going down the freeway in my SL55 AMG and ahead of me was one similar,both black. AMG logo on the back. When i flew up beside it,it was not an AMG. Loser actually had an AMG logo put on the back alongside the S500 logo. Other AMG markings of course,missing.

Why would i be annoyed by that you ask? Same reason the OP is asking here.

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It's funny how people get so upset when they see a fake/rep of something they own! I remember many years ago having an Escort Xr3i ;) at the time a big deal for a guy my age, it took me a long time to save up for it and I paid cash to get it, couple weeks of having it went by and a guy came along side me on the freeway with a 'fake' Xr3i (bodykit and badges only) how did it make me feel? Didn't bother me in the slightest, I bet he was just as proud of his car as I was mine, in fact it made me feel better because he was trying to emulate the same car that I had ;)

I'm making the comparison with cars because nanuq quite rightly gave a comparison of a car and watch, as a mechanic I can see how he would do so, the point I'm trying to make is that whether or not you wear a gen or fake watch does not mean that you are an [censored] or not, that comes from within and money or not your still an [censored]. I really don't think that Gen owners myself included are bothered whether the guy next to them is wearing a rep watch as long as they are not trying to make themselves look better to their peers or profiteer from it from someone who doesn't know any better.

I came to this forum whilst searching for a great deal on a new SmP, tbh I'm bloody glad I've had the pleasure of being part of this community for the last 12-14 mths, I love lots and lots of watch designs and have probably bought the best part of 40-50 pieces since I came on here, inc a few Gens too. The rep scene is far more intricate than it seems from the outset, there is a depth to it that draws you in and this great community keeps you coming back for more!

At the end of the day I am quite at ease wearing both Gen and rep pieces when I go anywhere, next time I'm out wearing my TC Sub and a guy stands next to me at the bar with his Gen and checks my wrist I'll give a wry smile and remember that day on the freeway.......... :inverted:

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It's funny how people get so upset when they see a fake/rep of something they own! I remember many years ago having an Escort Xr3i ;) at the time a big deal for a guy my age, it took me a long time to save up for it and I paid cash to get it, couple weeks of having it went by and a guy came along side me on the freeway with a 'fake' Xr3i (bodykit and badges only) how did it make me feel? Didn't bother me in the slightest, I bet he was just as proud of his car as I was mine, in fact it made me feel better because he was trying to emulate the same car that I had ;)

I'm making the comparison with cars because nanuq quite rightly gave a comparison of a car and watch, as a mechanic I can see how he would do so, the point I'm trying to make is that whether or not you wear a gen or fake watch does not mean that you are an [censored] or not, that comes from within and money or not your still an [censored]. I really don't think that Gen owners myself included are bothered whether the guy next to them is wearing a rep watch as long as they are not trying to make themselves look better to their peers or profiteer from it from someone who doesn't know any better.

I came to this forum whilst searching for a great deal on a new SmP, tbh I'm bloody glad I've had the pleasure of being part of this community for the last 12-14 mths, I love lots and lots of watch designs and have probably bought the best part of 40-50 pieces since I came on here, inc a few Gens too. The rep scene is far more intricate than it seems from the outset, there is a depth to it that draws you in and this great community keeps you coming back for more!

At the end of the day I am quite at ease wearing both Gen and rep pieces when I go anywhere, next time I'm out wearing my TC Sub and a guy stands next to me at the bar with his Gen and checks my wrist I'll give a wry smile and remember that day on the freeway.......... :inverted:

Im a big car guy.....and when not here Im most likey at a car forum. So I like and agree 100% with the car vs rep anolgy.

But you got to take it easy on those tires bro. :D

Mike

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Again,this is such bs.

There are people that drive Ferrari's and buy them outright,its no problem. Then there are those that take old Fiero's and kit them to make them look like Ferrari's,all good.

Don't bad mouth an actual Ferrari owner for expressing his disgust with wanna be's like that,really the guy driving the fiero is the idiot.

No, that is BS, what I pointed out is basic psychology... I'm not saying that all gen owners are snobby elitist assholes, what I'm pointing out, is that those who have such a hatred for reps, are doing so because they feel threatened by it and the threat it represents to the value which they attribute to something. You say the guy driving the fiero is an idiot. Explain to me why he is an idiot. Does the fiero not get him from a to b? Is it not a valid form of transportation? To suggest that only genuine goods are acceptable, and that people who seek replica goods are idiots and losers, is the same as saying that the only way of appreciating art is to own the original painting, and that anything else, screen savers, posters, prints etc, are for losers. Or are they okay because they're licenced reproductions? I doubt daVinci gave anyone permission to re-print the Vetruvian Man or the Mona Lisa, but hey, plenty of people have copies of them world wide. But I guess they're just idiots too...

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And anyone acting like they really dont want the gen of the fake they are buying here,is lying to himself as well. Take By-Tor,he finally got to buy the gens he wanted after his days here with reps,where is he now??. Come on guys,cut the bs.

I can't speak for everyone here, but I wouldn't want the gen of any of the reps I own. Even if I could afford them (which at the moment I can't) I simply couldn't justify spending that kind of money on such an over-inflated product. As I've said before, several years ago I did have the cash to buy a gen Sub, so I went to the AD, tried it on, and was so underwhelmed, I walked out and immediately started researching fake Rolexes for a more reasonable option. In my opinion, and I admit that this is my opinion only, as nice as the Sub was, I did not think it was worth the £2000 price tag. Rep prices, on the other hand, are reasonable for the product, so that allows me to have the watches I like at a price point I am comfortable with, both financially and emotionally. As has been pointed out several times over the years, wealthy people (and by that I mean Old Money, not nouveau riche football yobs or rockstars) are frugal and do not spend their cash pointlessly. They get value for money and bang for the buck. So why is a person of lesser wealth who uses the same shopping principle considered an idiot and a wannabe? Sure, if a guy goes flashing his fake watch around and telling people it's the real thing, or tries to sell it on eBay as the real thing, then yes, that guy is an asshole and deserves to be treated as such, but that doesn't mean that all rep owners are that guy, just as not all gen owners are elitist snobs who only worship brandnames and prestige, while having the emotional content of an open sewer...

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Stick to talking about reps and how far they have come,whats what out there etc...

When the day comes you find the gen right for you,thats the last we see of you here,they come and they go,everyone wants the real deal,thats why your here. Leave gen owners out of the discussions. Different forums for that.

Ask this question on gen watch forums instead of here actually,why not. Dont be fake :)

Won't ever happen, my friend. Even if I was to win the lotto, I wouldn't buy the gens on principle. Main principle being that they wouldn't be my watches, they would literally be copies/substitutes for my watches. Like when I sold my rep SeaMasters to help pay for my wedding... They were bought with inheritance money which can't be replaced. If I was to buy another SMP or PO (even as gens) they would still just be replacements for those 'inheritance watches'. I buy generic supermarket cola and bread rather than branded equivalents, because it's financially the better option, and at the end of the day, the bread's still bread, the cola is still cola... The fiero is still a car, and a rep is still a watch... I can't see that outlook towards the products and companies changing simply because I become able to afford the price of admission.

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Nanuq. When josh ships you a fake Land Rover,i guess you can be part of this discussion.

Not talking parts of cars,you know this.

You're the one who brought cars into this equasion for comparitive purposes... To stick to cars for a second, I would rather own a kit-built version of the Infernus from Grand Theft Auto IV than the equivelent Lamborghini. Why? For no other reason than it appeals to me more...

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