Gamma Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Hi All, Am now getting around to seriously looking at this Franken project. Im looking for advice as i want to build something a bit special if i can, but just want to make sure I don't make any silly mistakes along the way! Ive done a fair bit of research on the forums, so have a good idea of the parts i need, but need some advice on the below points if anyone can help me?... I purchased a V5 42mm PO with black bezel w/ white numbers, and am very happy with it as a rep, and understand it to be one of the best cases/cases for a good franken(except for the dummy He valve). As i have brought the cheapest movement, the Asian 4813, from my research on here it seems that its too much of a ball ache to fit gen dial and hands to this movement, so i want to get a new gen swiss movement that i can fit all the gen parts to, and then install this into the rep case. So, firstly, what movement would be the best to use for this, i have read that 2824-2 is a good reliable movement that will accept the gen stuff. Can anyone confirm this would be the best way to go? And if so, where would you recommend to get the movement from? I can pick a gen swiss up off e-bay, and dont mind spending a bit on the movement, as i want something thats going to be a reliable. If not the 2824-2 movement, then what movement would you suggest? And from where?.. The full list for the Franken is below: Gen Swiss movement(model TBC...) Gen Dial Gen Hands Gen Crown & Tube Sunny Crystal Eventually a gen bezel, although the bezel and pearl on mine are very good So really i just need to confirm which movement is the best to use as the base. I would also be interested in knowing if anyone out there knows of anyone in the EU(UK preferably) that could help me with the build, its something i could tackle myself, but i think for the best results, it would be better being done by someone who has done similar previously.... Appreciate any input guys, really keen to get this project started Merry Christmas to all forum members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 A 2824 would be a good movement and the gen dial, hands, date wheel should all fitA 2892 would be even closer to gen though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcher Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) I built mine using a noob lmpo as it has a great case and perfect ar. Also the crown and tube is perfect and he valve too. The bracelet was good too bit I fitted gen sels and clasp. I will find some pics as I regretfully sold it earlier. I fitted gen parts Dial Hands Dw Complete bezel assembly Sels Clasp And it looked superb. Edited December 24, 2013 by watcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gamma Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 A 2824 would be a good movement and the gen dial, hands, date wheel should all fit A 2892 would be even closer to gen though What i'm looking for is reliability, as it is not an open caseback, it does not have to look gen. Quite a price difference between the 2 movements... is it worth going the extra for the 2892?.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Both would be reliable and both would not look gen with the case back off as neither are the original omega movement ( although it is based on the 2892) Have a read here if you want to know about how good a 2892 can be http://www.chronometrie.com/eta2892/eta2892.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 I built mine using a noob lmpo as it has a great case and perfect ar. Also the crown and tube is perfect and he valve too. The bracelet was good too bit I fitted gen sels and clasp. I will find some pics as I regretfully sold it earlier. I fitted gen parts Dial Hands Dw Complete bezel assembly Sels Clasp And it looked superb. Thats a real beaut mate! Shame i wasnt the one that bought it from you!! Ive heard the LMPO case is v good, but also that the V5 is a good base for a franken The gen dial and hands really pop out, that crystal is very good! The only thing that has disappointed me about the V5 so far, is that the Crystal AR seems to scratch very easily, only noticeable at certain angles in the right light, and will obviously be solved with a gen or Sunnys crystal.. A comment has been made on one of the other forums in response to my post, that the actual cases might different from the V5 4813(that i have) to the V5 2824, and that this may cause me problems... Can anyone confirm?.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflash Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 My v5 2824 clone spec, with the following gen parts all sourced from Cousins UK: Gen dial Gen date wheel Gen hands Gen HE Valve (non-functioning) Gen bezel and insert Gen end links Sunnydale Crystal Haven't got round to the crown and tube yet. Got the parts, but to be honest the rep crown isn't a big tell compared to things like the bezel, pearl and HE valve (the rep version is way too tall). I would also say the gen end links are a bit of an indulgence. The main advantage of the LM case is the HE valve, much more gen-like, replacing the rep version is a bit of a job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaw6125 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 A comment has been made on one of the other forums in response to my post, that the actual cases might different from the V5 4813(that i have) to the V5 2824, and that this may cause me problems... I would also like to know this. I got a 2824 movement spacer for mine (4813 based V5). I can't see them making two different cases myself. I think it is just different size movement/dial spacers. I would also like to know if you need to do anything special to fit a 2892 in there. I know pugwash did it, but the thread is lacking any details and he hasn't replied to my PM. I think he's busy with work and doesn't have much time to spend on the boards. I asked the same question on RWI and didn't really get an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue. Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 That is a great build! Wear it often and in good health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I would also like to know this. I got a 2824 movement spacer for mine (4813 based V5). I can't see them making two different cases myself. I think it is just different size movement/dial spacers. I would also like to know if you need to do anything special to fit a 2892 in there. I know pugwash did it, but the thread is lacking any details and he hasn't replied to my PM. I think he's busy with work and doesn't have much time to spend on the boards. I asked the same question on RWI and didn't really get an answer. I would be surprised if the 2 case were different, i don't see any reason why they would be... but this is china manufacturing we are talking about, no guarantee that 2 things come out the same.. But it should just be the dial/movement spacer that need be correct to suit the new movement, i understand that the gen dial locating lugs may need to be removed as they do not match with some movements(unless gen also) I'm just stockpiling the required parts now, as i have spoken with someone who has experience with franken PO's and they are happy to carry out the work. So my main issue now is which movement to get, and from where.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaw6125 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I would be surprised if the 2 case were different, i don't see any reason why they would be... but this is china manufacturing we are talking about, no guarantee that 2 things come out the same.. But it should just be the dial/movement spacer that need be correct to suit the new movement, i understand that the gen dial locating lugs may need to be removed as they do not match with some movements(unless gen also) I'm just stockpiling the required parts now, as i have spoken with someone who has experience with franken PO's and they are happy to carry out the work. So my main issue now is which movement to get, and from where.... 2892 will have the correct dial feet position and diameter to fit a 2824 spacer. It's the dial spacer I think that might be tricky. ______________ Need sec @ 6 module for daytona. http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=165206 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 You should be able to do a 2892 for 2824 replacement with out issues, dial, hands, movement holder and date wheel should all be the same but you have to use the 2892 stem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justudor Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Hi all, Further to this thread, I just finished a trial fit of franken parts into a V5 4813 case. I had no issues whatsoever except I couldn't get the bezel to seat onto case. No matter what I did. It was so tough. Anyone know if this should be an issue or was I doing something wrong? The rep bezel came off so easy it was funny. I even used the brass (?) movement holder but flipped the securing tabs upside down to get a better seat of ring against case. The gen crystal pressed on fine but was almost too easy so I do question the water proof-ness. The tube was screwed in and I used pliers to remove. From what I read epoxy is a good option to seating new tube (which I don't have yet). I also noted that the version 3 case and rep crown used a shorter stem into the 2824 clone movement. The gen crown is 'shorter' and will require a longer stem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue. Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Hi all, Further to this thread, I just finished a trial fit of franken parts into a V5 4813 case. I had no issues whatsoever except I couldn't get the bezel to seat onto case. No matter what I did. It was so tough. Anyone know if this should be an issue or was I doing something wrong? The rep bezel came off so easy it was funny. I even used the brass (?) movement holder but flipped the securing tabs upside down to get a better seat of ring against case. The gen crystal pressed on fine but was almost too easy so I do question the water proof-ness. The tube was screwed in and I used pliers to remove. From what I read epoxy is a good option to seating new tube (which I don't have yet). I also noted that the version 3 case and rep crown used a shorter stem into the 2824 clone movement. The gen crown is 'shorter' and will require a longer stem. Interesting progress! Maybe you can post some pics? Good luck on the final assembly, Dainese! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justudor Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Interesting progress! Maybe you can post some pics? Good luck on the final assembly, Dainese! Version 3 Case Swiss 2824 Gen Dial Gen Hands Gen DW Unknown crystal with good double AR (odd dull brown hue) Gen Bezel insert Rep bezel (Could NEVER pull the bezel off this too) Transplant into: Version 5 Case 4813 shipped variant. Swiss 2824 Gen Dial Gen Hands Gen DW Gen crystal (more AR scuffs than I remembered and possibly marks on the inside too) Rep bezel (Could NOTpull on the genuine bezel ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue. Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 That is pretty good looking so far, dainese! Good luck on replacing the bezel assembly! It should work as some folk around here have succeeded doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justudor Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Everyone, FYI - I have successfully installed the Gen Bezel assembly onto the V5 4813 PO 42mm Case. Just need stem, tube and I should be complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ado213 Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) Araladiting a gen tube in is not a good option really, the gen tubes and crowns are known to fail fairly frequently, this I due to Their physical dimensions and thread sizes, they're quite weak. Another option on this would be better long term, especially if this is a keeper! Edited May 18, 2014 by Adrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justudor Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 Araladiting a gen tube in is not a good option really, the gen tubes and crowns are known to fail fairly frequently, this I due to Their physical dimensions and thread sizes, they're quite weak. Another option on this would be better long term, especially if this is a keeper! Are you suggesting that the entire process of a glue in place to seat the tube is not sufficient or should one use epoxy? I have paid for tube and stem and will be looking to assemble when they arrive and compelte the above pumpkin (finally!) Does anyone know if the H4 cannon pinion is a worthy upgrade? Would be nice to get the stack a little higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lartamia Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 Are you suggesting that the entire process of a glue in place to seat the tube is not sufficient or should one use epoxy? I have paid for tube and stem and will be looking to assemble when they arrive and compelte the above pumpkin (finally!) Does anyone know if the H4 cannon pinion is a worthy upgrade? Would be nice to get the stack a little higher. This is my franken with a H3 cp upgrade In my opinion it's worth... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ado213 Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 Well, now your asking!, in my professional opinion I would not glue or araldite the case tube in, seriously who want to wander round with a watch on with a "cocked up" crown and tube?. I know lots of members do this as I suppose it does get you the desired result (gen crown and tube) Yes,,if it fails, you can just heat the adhesive and re-glue another in, but wouldn't you be happier with a gen screw in case tube, that actually screws in, no glue !! I know which I'd prefer ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imajedi Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 I used TC's movement with the H4 CP already installed. Worked perfectly and came out fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justudor Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 This is my franken with a H3 cp upgrade In my opinion it's worth... Very nice sir. Is it a simple upgrade? H3 is shorter than h4?Well, now your asking!, in my professional opinion I would not glue or araldite the case tube in, seriously who want to wander round with a watch on with a "cocked up" crown and tube?. I know lots of members do this as I suppose it does get you the desired result (gen crown and tube) Yes,,if it fails, you can just heat the adhesive and re-glue another in, but wouldn't you be happier with a gen screw in case tube, that actually screws in, no glue !! I know which I'd prefer ! I don't think it's worthwhile to get a gen case. I'd go second hand gen, considering the cases would be $5-700? It is definitely a compromised option to glue the tube but seems to be the accepted method on the forums. I'd be willing to listen to other options but not for the cost of a gen case!I used TC's movement with the H4 CP already installed. Worked perfectly and came out fantastic. Very nice. Easy to do I imagine? H4 is the ideal option? Thanks Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ado213 Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Take a look at this thread from RWI, this is a far better option for your tube and crown fitting. http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=182364 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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