dbane883 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I just took delivery of the new J12 SubC. Before it undergoes some major surgery, I thought I'd do a quick visual comparison of it relative to my gen no-date Sub. The Gen will always be on the LEFT or the bottom... J12 will be on the right. Out of the box, to the average person, the J12 is a very good rep: Sunken SELS, AR cyclops, hefty weight - Crystal is a touch high but overall, its not bad. First lets look at the dials: Gen dial: J12 dial: Very briefly, the minute hand is too chunky. Fonts are a bit off, especially "Superlative Chronometer" being too fat rather than thinner, minute hashmarks are also too fat, 3,6, 9 rectangles too square.."Rolex" should be more elongated. The printing is not white enough, etc, etc..I cant bare to look any more closely. The bezel insert engraving is lacking depth compared to gen,. At the same time, fonts are too thin: Pearl surround and dome over the lume is actually pretty good. However there is a slight bluish tint to it.. Or maybe its a bit translucent compared to the more opaque gen pearl: The general case shape dimensions is very close to gen. lug tip to lug tip on the J12 is 47.93mm compared to 48.05 mm on the gen. Case width is about smack on as well: Like 99.99% of rep cases, the crown guards are a touch off. Little bit too wide at the base: Despite the fact that dimensionally, the length and width is about dead on with the gen, there was something that was really bothering me about it. Then I noticed that case sides on the J12 is way too square. By that, I mean that on the gen cases, the top of the case is a touch narrower than the bottom, which results in the case flaring out from the dial side to the caseback side... You can see the side profile here and notice that the gen flares out 2-3 degrees more than the J12 case: The difference is more prominent at the lugs if you look down dead-on from above. Notice how the sides of the lugs on the J12 is nearly vertical, whereas the gen has an elegant flare: Enough about the case, onto the bracelet. As I removed the J12 bracelet, I noticed it just felt a tad "loose" to me. So I compared the "stretch" to the the gen bracelet (on the bottom). The J12 clearly has more stretch than the gen which has tight links that hinge like butter: The coronet on the fliplock of the J12 is a definite improvement over say, the BP bracelet, but my only complaint here is the width and depth of the recessed scallop: I will not go into an indepth review of the clasp, but its probably the best rep glidelock clasp today that I have seen. The middle links of J12 are a bit blocky if you know what I mean, but not bad. And in case you were wondering, the gen bracelet will fit on the J12 case no problem, so good job there. Overall, not a bad piece. This concludes another episode of useless watch trivia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsnelling Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Thanks for this post! I absolutely LOVE gen vs rep posts. Mostly because I can hardly notice the little things when looking side by side. So I need to stop being so damn picky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcawsey Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Excellent review, would never have picked up the tapered sides on the case As a matter of interest, how are the Noobs in comparison? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 yo dbane when did u get this j12,they have updated this ,yours has a mk3 dial varient 1,the first j12 release had a poor mk1 dial amazing,ive posted a thread about diald on rg thanks to you,good bloody work bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 the j12 fliplock logo is a bit too skinny i prefer the noob logo,so ill use my noob clasp with my j12 braclett.im loving the new j12 dial man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) wow ive linked your review to rg forums,hope u dont mind,but its really good, its going to be a hell of a popular review this bro Edited July 24, 2014 by live1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droptopman Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Very nice work, excellent review D. Sent from my droptop using telepathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmj Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Awake comparison.Thanks for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Thank you for the very in depth pictorial review, I always learn something new from reading posts such as this, even if the watches do not appeal to me personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezio Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Great job there mate Nice Quick Info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulvillo Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Amazing work. Thanks a million for this!! Sent from my iPad Air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacsah1 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 How is the rehaut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6now Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Nice one here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 how is the rehaut engravings comparison with gen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbane883 Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 J12 rehaut is not good. Obviously laser cut/pitted: Not crisp and deep like the gen. The gen engraving is more of a deep channel outlined by a shallow depression: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacsah1 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Looking at the gen, the v3 seems to be almost perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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