Champagnesky Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Hi! Ive been looking for a decent vintage Daytona on the M2M sales forums and its realy hard to find one, so im considering getting one from a TD. Now that DW had dissapeared, which one would you guys recommend as a worthy alternative? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 DW is the way to go, you can still got one in m2m sales Over than that you have builds and Franken builds powered by a Val caliber 72 inside phong or inGod cases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolojack Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Get a V75 powered Cartel rep, and change the dial ! Cheapest way I know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDanX Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Hi! Ive been looking for a decent vintage Daytona on the M2M sales forums and its realy hard to find one, so im considering getting one from a TD. Now that DW had dissapeared, which one would you guys recommend as a worthy alternative? I've been thinking the same thing, Phong, Yuki etc are too expensive, DW unreliable so am thinking of modding a cartel daytona, will follow this thread with interest.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champagnesky Posted November 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Get a V75 powered Cartel rep, and change the dial ! Cheapest way I know.hmm where do i source a nice dial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsvoor Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 you have to hunt for a v72 dial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDanX Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 These threads are worth a read of you haven't already. http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/171800-rolex-6265-the-cartel-daytona-revised/ http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/136033-modding-the-cartel-vintage-daytonas-for-proper-sub-dial-spacing/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDanX Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 you have to hunt for a v72 dial Most of the cartel reps are using the a seagul s19 movement aren't they? The ones I've been looking at anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsvoor Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 hi Supi, certainly you are right. The 6 o clock hand of the st 19 is frozen and has to be modded to accept a v72 spec dial, thats all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almil Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 I would suggest to wait, DW Daytona on M2M sales 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champagnesky Posted November 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Thx for the responses. Btw, are DW subdials fully functional? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davids100 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 yep, DW uses A7750 or A7753 so fully functionnal chrono Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceejay Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Isn't DW still selling cases on eBay? At least if he doesn't come through you can get your money back through PP. While we're here here....anyone got a Nice DW Paul Newman dial (7753) they want to sell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champagnesky Posted November 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Isn't DW still selling cases on eBay? At least if he doesn't come through you can get your money back through PP. While we're here here....anyone got a Nice DW Paul Newman dial (7753) they want to sell do u have a link to his ebay profile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kime Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 DWs ebay account is now dormant I think. I few weeks ago his last remaining listings were removed. It would also appear from his 5 NEGATIVE FEEDBACKS IN THE LAST MONTH that whatever he was selling on ebay (before it was all taken down) was not delivered. So even if anything appears it might not be worth the pain of getting involved as for sometime DW has been widely considered a BAD EGG and reading the negative feedback should confirm that for you. http://www.ebay.com/usr/valjouxshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Anyone who deals with DW now deserves just what he gets!! He has proven time and time again that he is totally unreliable and dishonest. I'm sure Ebay suspended his store after the 5 negative feedbacks in a row in the last month. To the OP, DW Daytonas come up for sale here and on the other rep sales forums from time to time, just be patient, you will find one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prdubis Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I just don't get it about DW. Sometimes he disappears and then comes back a few weeks ago. Bought a set of hands from him ten days ago and got them delivered. He gave me several spare parts for free so I really don't understand the way he works... But to be true, all my deals with him were great for the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I just don't get it about DW. Sometimes he disappears and then comes back a few weeks ago. Bought a set of hands from him ten days ago and got them delivered. He gave me several spare parts for free so I really don't understand the way he works... But to be true, all my deals with him were great for the moment. Lots of folks have had problems with him though, some seem to get on really good with him, but others have real issues. Back when he was taking PayPal, I would take a chance, and I have gotten some good stuff from him, but last year when he started getting more and more erratic and got his PayPal account suspended, I refused to go through with a deal for a Daytona 6263. Just too much risk sending money to someone like that via WU. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prdubis Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 DW is taking PP again, at least for returning customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDanX Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Is there nothing to be said for the cartel Daytonas then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kime Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Is there nothing to be said for the cartel Daytonas then? I think in general they are OK, but they fall over when put "under the microscope" If you are not going to do that then they are fine. What do we mean by "under the microscope"? well, the first thing is the position of the subdial at 6. It is of course fixed (faux) and does not move but worse still it is in the wrong position (too low) for no good reason at all. Next are the dials, ROLEX font is off, serifs on markers and "daytona" are missing, lume dots are very slightly incorrect, too far away from the minute track, the coronet is slightly the wrong shape. Hands are slightly too wide, we could go on BUT we are talking minor things here, things that nobody other than fanatics will be concerned about. For better accuracy, i.e. better side by side accuracy with a gen, you will need after market parts (of which there are not many options, so very often you have to go gen) which add up to a lot of money and "pain" real quickly. So the answer is IT DEPENDS, on just how accurate you need your rep to be. My opinion is get a Cartel if you need to feed your desire for a vintage Daytona, wear it, no worries. Then save up and start hoarding parts ! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatico Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 My experience with the ST19 has been good with Alphas but the sub dial position at 6 does not matter much on an Alpha. As for an ST19 in a Daytona type watch...the sub dial at 6 being too low can be a small distraction. Few chronograph owners ever need an hour register because most timing is for a shorter duration. Freezing the 12 hour hand in place and not having an hour register is one less thing to go wrong. Very few in the general population can tell a genuine vintage Daytona from a $125 Alpha and most of them never even heard of a Daytona...unless they watched "Stalker: Love is a Battlefield" last week. Rolex freaks will assume all vintage Daytonas seen in the wild are fake anyway. Chronograph rules: Mechanical chronographs are usually Ok...until you push a button. Quartz chronographs are much easier to live with. Chronographs can not stop time ...they can't even slow it down ...because time marches on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDanX Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Thanks guys, my plan was to buy a handwound cartel daytona and mod it as and when funds allow (a new dial and hands would be my most pressing concerns) as much as I admire the amazing daytona builds I've seen here and elsewhere I'm not comfortable spending thousands on what would still be a rep at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kime Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 ..and I am sure you will enjoy it... but here in lies the problem... modding a cartel rep is limited unless you mod the position of the pin at 6 otherwise you will just not find a better dial that fits. I suspect that doing so is not overly hard but it is not something everyone would be willing to undertake. You could replace with another rep dial (if you can find one) some are better than others but they are hard to find on their own. But if you move the pin at 6 there are plenty of modding options for new dials although after market daytona dials of any accuracy are fairly expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDanX Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Thanks for the info, I've been reading up on that mod and I'm happy to have a go as it dosen't seem too complicated. As for dial options I'll get one from yuki or suchlike which would be accurate enough for me and possibly fit a gen coronet on the dial, I'm happy to spent a few hundred on mods just not thousands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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