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I Got great news and bad news guys

I already Got word about the production we have to get atleast 100 and more if we do a re run but im not gonna do that so great news

Bad news is now i/ some other Nice member will have to figure out all this that been discussed prior to this

So either someone who have the dials will have to make the measurements or i will have to get some dials to do it myself as i dont wanna spend money on this and buy dials of no use to me maybe some guy who will take a chance and trust me can ship the dials in question

Lets get a list going to make sure we can get a 100 do not put your name on the list if you are not 100 % procent sure you will commit to the project remember guys i do this of good will for you guys

So Update the list yourself with your name and how many you will take Price will be 75 USD with shipping anywhere in the World which i Think is fair will not make cash on this since production cost is High for only a 100 normally when i produce things with the firm in netherlands we talking 500 800 to thousands

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Nice to see things moving forward. Hopefully someone with access to various dials (we're talking 1665's and 1680's and vintage Explorers here), accurate measuring equipment and the appropriate skills can do a comparison of dimensions so we can settle on the best (ie the most useful) sized wheel to produce. So, come on chaps, get those digital calipers out and get measurin'. I would tentatively like to suggest that we compile as much info as poss so that a consensus can be found (fingers firmly crossed on that one!).

 

So, should we concentrate on getting accurate measurements for Ingod44 dials, MBW dials (both old and new), Yuki's and NDT's? I'm guessing that these are the ones that we as a collective regard as the most popular. With a bit of luck we might find that an accurately produced wheel for an Ingod44 might cross over and also be useable by a person who has an MBW dial - again, fingers crossed.

 

I'm thinking out loud here so please chime in with observations/comments if I'm overlooking something.

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Nice to see things moving forward. Hopefully someone with access to various dials (we're talking 1665's and 1680's and vintage Explorers here), accurate measuring equipment and the appropriate skills can do a comparison of dimensions so we can settle on the best (ie the most useful) sized wheel to produce. So, come on chaps, get those digital calipers out and get measurin'. I would tentatively like to suggest that we compile as much info as poss so that a consensus can be found (fingers firmly crossed on that one!).

 

So, should we concentrate on getting accurate measurements for Ingod44 dials, MBW dials (both old and new), Yuki's and NDT's? I'm guessing that these are the ones that we as a collective regard as the most popular. With a bit of luck we might find that an accurately produced wheel for an Ingod44 might cross over and also be useable by a person who has an MBW dial - again, fingers crossed.

 

I'm thinking out loud here so please chime in with observations/comments if I'm overlooking something.

Yep we are close to getting there we just need measurements and commitment and we should be there

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Just for the sake of clarity and us not losing sight of the basics. Here is a picture of what we are trying to solve:

 

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The above is an Ingod44 rail dial 1665 inside an old school MBW case with an ETA 2846 mvmnt which has an Ubi datewheel overlay installed. As you can clearly see, a little bit of the first 2 in 22 is hiding behind the left hand edge of the date window.

 

The above combination of dial and movement is quite common amongst us and, as yet, there is not a WHITE datewheel or overlay that lines up correctly with the date window. I hope you can agree this is not rocket science - well, it is to me 'coz I know nothing of these things, but to those with the requisite skills it should be a stroll in the park. Shouldn't it? Ha ha 

 

 

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  • 2 weeks later...

Let's not give up on this. I have now had it confirmed from two separate independent sources that the polexpete datewheel overlay aligns correctly with a rep dial. One rep dial is an ingod44 (see earlier in this thread) and the other is a singer plate of unknown manufacture purchased from ebay. So, looks like we need a person who is handy with a pair of digital calipers and can make super accurate measurements so that bomber22 can print the wheels (assuming there is enough of us who want them). Lets get the technicalities sorted out first, then complete the 'willingness to buy' list and hopefully bomber22 can complete the challenge. So, come on chaps, anybody prepared to do some measuring (I can post you the polexpete dwo to do the measuring if required). Cheers.

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Just for the sake of clarity and us not losing sight of the basics. Here is a picture of what we are trying to solve:

 

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What this problem is actually about has to do with skewed printing.  If you look at many of the DWO's produced in the last 4-5 years you'll notice that the numbers from 20 - 29 all get progressively closer to the inside edge of the overlay.  This isn't a problem of date window size/location.

 

It stands to reason that any dial that can sit under a gen or gen spec crystal with a date mag has the date window in the same location size as the gen.  I don't think it's necessary to measure numerous dials.  I also think if you're going to use another overlay as your base by which you get measurements you should use a gen overlay.  FWIW, I have a polexpete silver overlay under my gen 1675 dial and EVERY date number is just a tweeky bit left justified.

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@ cjjoyce1

 

It may be that I am wrong but it is my understanding that the rep dials have a date window that is slightly to the right of the position of the window on a gen dial. I believe this is to line up correctly with the datewheel on an ETA 2836 movement which is in its own turn positioned slightly to the right when compared to the gen movement (I'm only talking about vintage sports models here as that's what I know about). When a watch that has a rep dial and a gen spec crystal with a date mag and an ETA movement then there is indeed an alignment issue. Basically the date mag does not sit directly over the window aperture. This is a separate problem to the datewheel/window issue on rep dials/ETA movements.

 

It is very interesting however, what you say about skewed printing. Can anybody confirm or otherwise this theory?

 

Come on chaps, lets get to the bottom of it once and for all.

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It is very interesting however, what you say about skewed printing. Can anybody confirm or otherwise this theory?

 

 

 

It no theory.  

 

Compare the first three DWO's in the pic compared to the last two.  The white and gold came from mansionhousemanor, and the first silver one came from a M2M deal on one of the forums.  Of the second two, the silver DWO on the right is made from one of JMB's water slide decals and the other white one came from a sub (of unknown origin) I swapped for a BK in another members watch.

 

Look at the first three.  The numbers get progressively closer to the inside of the overlay in the teens, are the closest in the twenties, then move back out.  Just look at the 1's in the teens. 

 

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Now compare that to even Polexpete's overlay - nice and evenly spaced.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ETA-movement-part-date-disc-silver-2824-2836-2893-rolex-oyster-date-/121587655451?

 

Pretty hard to center up a DWO that isn't concentric in the first place.

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  • 6 years later...

It is not rocket science.

geometry has no secrets.

i redesigned and printed using an MBW dial window position and recentering numerals according to the partition of a circle in 31 axis.

did the same vertically so every numeral is fitted within the regular window opening.

Disk has an od of 23mm and id of 15 and print is done in silver vinyl film sticker to allow repositioning without glue and a minimal thickness for overhead.

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31 minutes ago, madasboot said:

It is not rocket science.

geometry has no secrets.

i redesigned and printed using an MBW dial window position and recentering numerals according to the partition of a circle in 31 axis.

did the same vertically so every numeral is fitted within the regular window opening.

Disk has an od of 23mm and id of 15 and print is done in silver vinyl film sticker to allow repositioning without glue and a minimal thickness for overhead.

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1 minute ago, madasboot said:

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