cc33 Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Just in case anyone missed it, phong is now selling eta movements and dials/hands for his cases. http://www.jewelryandwatch.com/contents/en-us/d251_Submariners__and_Sea-Dweller.htmlhttp://www.jewelryandwatch.com/contents/en-us/d252_Sea-Dweller_1665-ETA.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmb Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 I'm almost scared to find out how much a phong-rep will cost! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanw Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 I'm almost scared to find out how much a phong-rep will cost!$1,650 USD with CONUS S&HSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendota Explorer Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 This came up earlier this summer and I don't feel like a good answer came from it. These are fully built watches using all of his parts and an ETA movement. He says you can put in a gen Rolex movement later if you want. How are these builds overall? Are they worth the money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
508-Fanatic Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Doesn't blow my skirt up but a great starting point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachcomber Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Still needs modding Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueTip Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Still needs modding Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk+1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Propofol Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Those parts are great but slightly overpriced. But thats the price for quality stuff and good customer service if you know exactly what you need and want.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmb Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 And he feels he will be allowed to sell reps because????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 And he feels he will be allowed to sell reps because?????I guess because the patents have long ago expired, maybe???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachcomber Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Patents? Rolex patents? HahahaSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Propofol Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Lol Phong never exactly cared about patent, copyright, etc... As all other dealer's, maker's .. He's more talented, has a better reputation, but let's face it, this business is illegal, producing those parts is highly illegal, selling those parts is a felony and buying those parts is a felony too depending of the country... But that is the game... Sometimes I feel that some guys forget it but that's the true. You can debate and argue as much as you want about the margins of the GEN industry etc.. There are some arguments.. But our hobby is illegal, make some western company loose money, loose jobs etc.. Without being catastrophic, this hobby is at least unethical but so much fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 So a Phong ETA is, what, a rep of a Phong gen rep? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmb Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 It's getting very confusing... Maybe he's got some sort of gig to manufacture "authorized" restoration replicas, or something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendota Explorer Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Are these the same cases that we would buy if we were just looking for a Phong case? In other words, if I buy a case from him for a project would this be the same exact case, only now it is assembled with a movement, spacer ring, dial and hands? Aren't his cases this same price or pretty close to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) Are these the same cases that we would buy if we were just looking for a Phong case? In other words, if I buy a case from him for a project would this be the same exact case, only now it is assembled with a movement, spacer ring, dial and hands? Aren't his cases this same price or pretty close to it?Same cases but he got ahold of a bunch of eta movements and I guess made custom spacer rings to accommodate them... He has pretty much ran out of genuine movements so you can buy a watch with an eta movement and spacer ring now but still have the quality of his cases for less money then using a genuine Rolex movement Edited October 29, 2015 by cc33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendota Explorer Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Same cases but he got ahold of a bunch of eta movements and I guess made custom spacer rings to accommodate them... He has pretty much ran out of genuine movements so you can buy a watch with an eta movement and spacer ring now but still have the quality of his cases Just his cases alone are close to this price. So you are getting a dial, hands, spacer, and movement for next to nothing. Is this is good deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) So a Phong ETA is, what, a rep of a Phong gen rep?No! Haha, it's identical just now the buyer has movement choice,, eta with spacer ring from him or you source a gen movement Just his cases alone are close to this price. So you are getting a dial, hands, spacer, and movement for next to nothing. Is this is good deal?sounds like a good deal to me, I've always maintained that if you use a phong case with a gen dial or redial on a gen plate then you HAVE to use a gen movement, but if you want to use any other dial like one of his or any other rep dial then why not use an eta? Cheaper and makes more sense Edited October 29, 2015 by cc33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmj Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Using the ETA movement you will still need a dwo with correct fonts. Once you have that, these will look really good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypunch Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 If you look close at the examples of these he has on his site, the date windows seem to be in the ETA datewheel position. So, if you were to buy one of these and wanted to replace with a rolex movement you'll need a new dial. Note the "13" looks more eta than rolex to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendota Explorer Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 The 5508 option looks pretty sweet! I think that's the one I'd get. It comes with an ETA 2824. Is it an easy swap to go from a 2824 to a low beat 2846? The 2824 can then be saved for another build. Woot! Woot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypunch Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Different stem heights. A 2783 would work though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kime Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 sounds like a good deal to me, I've always maintained that if you use a phong case with a gen dial or redial on a gen plate then you HAVE to use a gen movement, but if you want to use any other dial like one of his or any other rep dial then why not use an eta? Cheaper and makes more sense +1 There is no doubt that his cases are the best around and most accurate, I am not saying they are 100% perfect but from what is out there, they are the best. If we take the "second most accurate" MQ, his cases are often wrong in the smaller details, caseback engraving serial and model engraving fonts etc. are often wrong and you cannot be sure that what you get has been tested AT ALL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendota Explorer Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Different stem heights. A 2783 would work though.Are those difficult to locate, much like the 2846, or are they pretty easy to find? Do hands and dial feet made for an ETA 28xx also fit the 2783?I wonder if Phong could build around the 2783 if I shipped it to him first? Just curious. I'm not in the market right now, but it would be great to know for future reference.If he offers the 5508 I wonder if he also offers a 5510 or 6538 as an ETA package? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jelliottz Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Are those difficult to locate, much like the 2846, or are they pretty easy to find? Do hands and dial feet made for an ETA 28xx also fit the 2783?I wonder if Phong could build around the 2783 if I shipped it to him first? Just curious. I'm not in the market right now, but it would be great to know for future reference.If he offers the 5508 I wonder if he also offers a 5510 or 6538 as an ETA package? Dial feet on the 2783 are slightly different from the 2824. They're about 1min different counter clockwise. Just enough to screw stuff up. Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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