RickFlorida Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 I have seen people claim there are grade levels of sea gull or H. Eta clones. (Asian). But I have never found a way to order high grade Asian clones. Does sea gull offer different grades of 2836-2 for example that one can buy? I'm in the process of where I have to decide if I should get a genuine eta or an Asian. Thanks for any info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 Thomas (TC) has come the closest with his upgraded 2824-2 clone. But he's got an in with the Chinese obviously. As for upgrades to the Seaull or the Hangzhou clones, I don't know what to tell you. Depending on what you're going to do, probably getting a Swiss eta is still your best bet. Getting a clone serviced would be my second choice. Last would just be taking your chances with a Seagull. I have heard a couple of people say the Seagulls are the best of the clones. Swiss-http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-SWISS-MADE-ETA-2836-2-AUTOMATIC-MOVEMENT-NICKEL-NEW-WHITE-OR-BLACK/222063625217?_trksid=p2045573.c100505.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D138876d3d4584e55a79f26a687d386ee%26pid%3D100505%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26 Seagull- http://www.ebay.com/itm/SEAGULL-ST2100-CLONE-ETA-2836-2-SELLITA-SW-220-AUTOMATIC-MOVEMENT-GOLD-WHITE/221980531211?_trksid=p2045573.c100506.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D35efe87a56714be4950b15878e9059df%26pid%3D100506%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26 So take your pick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 I have had very good results with SeaGull 2824 clones. Only problem I have found, there aren't many folks selling them. I bought the first one from and eBay seller from Portugal, when I needed another one. Contacted the seller. She emailed me that she no longer carried them because SeaGull raised the prices and they weren't competitive with other 2824 clones. Ended up getting one from a seller in Hong Kong. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickFlorida Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 2 hours ago, panerai153 said: I have had very good results with SeaGull 2824 clones. Only problem I have found, there aren't many folks selling them. I bought the first one from and eBay seller from Portugal, when I needed another one. Contacted the seller. She emailed me that she no longer carried them because SeaGull raised the prices and they weren't competitive with other 2824 clones. Ended up getting one from a seller in Hong Kong. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Thanks guys.. I see Sea Gull 2836-2's on Ebay right now. But only a few. Most of the clones are not really stating what brand they are so you have a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymanmatt Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Swiss is worth the money. Go with swiss, you'll be glad you did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatico Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 "Swiss is worth the money. Go with swiss, you'll be glad you did." +1 Otoh if I had to choose an etaclone, Seagull would probably be the first choice. The main problem with swissetas in replicas today is many are old movements in need of repair. I took an etaclone (unknown brand) apart and checked it over and it looked good but was dry of oil in some spots and flooded in others. I bought it because it is a simple (non adjustable 24H) GMT type and I wanted the GMT parts for a project using a swisseta 2836...it uses the exact same parts that were used 10 or 15 years ago on swisseta GMT conversions. I did not c/o the clone or stick it back together but put the etaclone balance complete in a swisseta 2836 and it took off and keeps time about as good as it did with the eta balance. I changed it out as a unit, balance bridge and all so one side has the Chinese shock device and the other has the swiss device. The balance staffs appear to be exactly the same and the running rate is very good in all positions. I did c/o both balance jewels and the escape wheel/pallet stones. The truth is I was surprised at how good it runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymanmatt Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 I'm referring to a new fresh swiss movement from startime or one of the other supply houses, not a so called swiss from china. They are at least 25 years old and come from a watch school. They have been disassembled and reassembled 100's of time. Trust me, they are worn out. Not even good for parts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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