Ptolomeo Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Hi, I a m trying to make a decent 1665 DRSD MK4 with the help of @rolojack. Now I am in the hunting of a good bracelet combo without going gen. Could you help me to find the best 585 end links, 93150 links and clasp to fit the cartel 1665 case? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 That's not going to be easy. WSO has 580 end links, don't know if he has 585s. Rafflestime has the bracelet http://rafflestime.com/watch-bracelet/ Or Riyi- http://www.ebay.com/itm/20MM-FLIPLOCK-STEEL-OYSTER-BAND-BRACELET-FOR-ROLEX-MEN-EXPLORER-SUBMARINER-WATCH-/351941420192?hash=item51f157e4a0:g:hfAAAOSwHQ9WV7S1 Not sure where you can pick up a branded clasp- maybe from TC, but it wouldn't be 100% correct- the flip lock clasp shouldn't have the lines in it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickFlorida Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 But is there any difference to the bracelet that came with the Cartel? I'm only asking as I'm kind of new but from reading it seems all of the rep. 93150 Bracelets are pretty much equal... ( Aside from purchasing separate end links). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomeo Posted December 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 The clasp is quite bad and the 580 end links have the incorrect shape. The middle links are good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickFlorida Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 28 minutes ago, Ptolomeo said: The clasp is quite bad and the 580 end links have the incorrect shape. The middle links are good enough OK, thanks. So is the Yuki bracelet better in those regards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomeo Posted December 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 19 minutes ago, RickFlorida said: OK, thanks. So is the Yuki bracelet better in those regards? As I know, Yuki only sells the 93250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Probably the best bet for a clasp would be a gen. Not cheap but correct. Check on the Vintage Rolex Forum marketplace for one. I believe the only 585 end links are genuine.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatico Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 "I'm kind of new but from reading it seems all of the rep. 93150 Bracelets are pretty much equal..." You might end up putting one together from parts. That is what I end up doing. Here is a partial list of some replica parts to look for: Two first links (aka leading links) with 93150 stamped on them (not very easy to find, may have to go with 93250). Full set of links of proper thickness with hollow middle links. Clasp with a rivet where the 'flip lock' closes down over the clasp cap hinge (many have a spring bar here and if the sb is swapped out for a rivet, the flip lock will not pass over the rivet head). Proper type of diver extension. Set of 580 end links (hoods) that will accept oem spec spring bars with 2mm center tubes. Pitfalls: Many clasp 'Z' blades on steel watches have an 18 (for 18k center links) stamped on them, need one without it. Some replica bracelets with hollow mid links are too thin and do not look right. Many of the sheet metal replica dive extensions will not stay snapped together when r/r the watch. A genuine clasp is a very good option as P153 said above. I got one in a trade a while back but still ended up with over $100 in it. New, they are $250 or so. I have not used it on a watch but use it for comparison when making a clasp up using replica parts. I have been using folded Watch International/Mary oyster bracelets on vintage 5512/13 with the early type clasp cap where the adjustment holes are equally spaced. I made a tool out of strap notching pliers to put the oem type 'dents' on the side of the clasp cap between the last two adjustment holes to hold the bracelet up under the clasp cap. They look good but have 7836 on the leading links instead of 9315. They are also very well made. The best 93150 I have came on one of two MBK 1680s I got a few years ago but the other one had solid mid links. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickFlorida Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Great info. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 there are no good rep clasps youd have to get a gen clasp, with 93150 stamped ends and build the rest with rep links. wso end links seem decent, i dont know if they sell 585's tho. clasp + 93150 ends youre probably looking at no less than $450 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhorn Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) I managed to find one of the old MBW hollow link 93150's for my 5514 build. It's the best option without trying to cobble something together. Still far from perfect though. The WSO 580's fit well on the HH case. Edited December 29, 2016 by tomhorn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username here Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 And at that price why not go hen 93150? You can pick up a very good condition for $800Sent from my LGLS990 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickFlorida Posted December 31, 2016 Report Share Posted December 31, 2016 If the old MBW's are better than the Yuki's, or the ones that come on Cartels....Etc... Why is no one making rep bracelets as good as the old MBW's? Why did they have a higher attention to detail to any of the rep bracelet makers of today? Or is it just there is less demand for the older Rolex reps that use this bracelet now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted December 31, 2016 Report Share Posted December 31, 2016 5 hours ago, RickFlorida said: If the old MBW's are better than the Yuki's, or the ones that come on Cartels....Etc... Why is no one making rep bracelets as good as the old MBW's? Why did they have a higher attention to detail to any of the rep bracelet makers of today? Or is it just there is less demand for the older Rolex reps that use this bracelet now? the old MBWs were never good. so much incorrect. the endlink connector doesnt have the bend or fit 2mm bars, the side links are polished, the mid links are too thin compared to the gen, the clasp has wrong half size adjustment holes, the clasp is basically a 93250 stamped 93150. the cartel bracelet is better but the end link stamping (93150) is too large, the endlink bend should be a solid piece with a dent in the middle but its just a folded over piece of thin metal that is not closed, the clasp crown stamping is too large and not refined enough, the divers extension 'S' is stamped on the wrong side on either the mbw or the cartel, i dont remember which 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSTEEL Posted December 31, 2016 Report Share Posted December 31, 2016 Agree with the old MBW, socking lack of genuine parts compatibility too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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