Guest nikos1978 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 i had email from 1 dealer and he tell me that the cartel(factory) do not want to fix the ap offshore flaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADRED7 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 ....they do not see a need to fix the "flaw"....the factory convinced and proved that the datewindow (silver for the black themes) is correct as is! So the peeps will buy these watches anyway... Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadog13 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 So the peeps will buy these watches anyway... If we bought MBW's with numerous other flaws...the biggest one being the running sec at 9 and not at 12...I also think that this one will be a great seller...as soon as the mvt really proves to be a reliable one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nikos1978 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 yes but i can not understand why the do not want to correct 1 the daywindow and second the hour hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anton Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 If you are this particular about the reps, then you'll find better satisfaction with buying a gen. Sure, we've been spoiled with the terms of "1:1" and "Super Rep", but IMO, you do get alot for $568 if the case construction and other detail matching is beyond reproach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nikos1978 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 maybe david can make correct hands set for ap offshore what do you think???????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 It is a damn fine watch as is Nothing else really needs to be done to it, the flaws are not that big a deal, that is why the factory will not change them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADRED7 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 They have made SOME of these watches...and they need to sell. We will see several dials for the ROOfs but my guess is ... they will just do dial-variations....some LE of the ROO only need colored numbers and some slight variations (e.g. yellow numbers and PVD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadog13 Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 (e.g. yellow numbers and PVD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 I didn't know the hands were that off. Is the datewindow color incorrect for the white with silver sub-dials as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sql_pl Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 But you guys know that JBB should be titanium? But it is true - beautiful piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arminvanbuuren Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 nice.. now we really need MBW to release a ap eod in this movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir-Lancelot Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 They will fix it as a Untimate V2, once sales slow on V1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 They will fix it as a Untimate V2, once sales slow on V1. And introduce new flaws ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 And introduce new flaws ? Absofrigginlutely mate....else how will they come up with the Upgraded V3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye_lin Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Then you have to buy all 3 versions and combine them together to get the Ultimate APROO..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 i had email from 1 dealer and he tell me that the cartel(factory) do not want to fix the ap offshore flaw Niko .. perhaps you should look up past "history" or discussions or ask some of the members on this thread.. "ALL" have been through all the reps for a good long time.. the movement issues related to the dial (it could have something to do with the layout of the Date Window or Subs) Kruzer has been through every obstacle in searching for the perfect Pam (want to say 189) Submersible ... and has sacrificed a lot to attempt to find the correct "everything" when using alternative movements it is not always "black and white" .. there are many "grey" areas that have to be compromised Look at what members were paying for MBK's with incorrect subs.. at the time it was accepted.. for those who choose to purchase it.. If you are looking for a "perfect" copy .. as all of us are ... you should not be overly disappointed at minor flaws ... this is the nature of the "beast"... there are a lot of legal battles going on behind the lines.. one was with the Swiss Federation and another with the CEO of HBB.. So who's to say the the "little" flaws are not put there knowingly ?? Those members who have "accepted" the FACT that the reps are much better now and discuss means and availability of "Modding" the dials .. hands.. .. getting the AR coat done... have come to terms with our "Hobby".. it would be much less frustrating to just go out and buy a genuine.. but I like most members enjoy the "search" for "building" the perfect rep.. Check out the vintage Rolexes.. and you will find members who put just as much $$ into genuine vintage parts than a new genuine would cost... this hobby is a labour of love.. When I am having a really sh1tty day .. and go through the gauntlet of emotions... I look down at my Ziggified vintage 1665.. or what ever I choose to wear.. and like a kid I crack a big smile and say .... "this to shall pass" A hobby is supposed to bring enjoyment and comfort... fulfillment.... that is the key to finding enjoyment with this crazy obsession of ours.. so after you have been here for a while you will see what I am saying.. but experience is the key.. so stay long enough to where you can start feeling the love for these reps.. and not just the material excitement.. and you will meet great people along the way !!! As I have.. It also concerns me that for a new member.. you are using the word ."cartel" .. looks like you have been PM'd by certain members .... be careful who you follow Niko.. stick with the winners man.. they are all on your thread and in every section.. main thing to do is "learn" first.. before you address collectors like this.. Just some info for you to digest.. or leave alone.. up to u aloha R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye_lin Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 sweet................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgegrasser Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 I think having the wrong date window is just as bad as running seconds at 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Lani- Speaking of tilting at wind mills I am going to take a shot at correcting the date placement and window issue. A little cannibalization from the original MBW. Move the date placement that 1 mm further away from the side with the MBW inner bezel ring which is "steeper" and thus leaves more room between the dial numbers and the bezel, attempt to steal the "date window insert" (will have to take the dial apart to see how it is set up) and contemplate bracelet swap as I can't imagine the bracelet on this one is as good as the first generation MBW. Whadda ya think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Lani- Speaking of tilting at wind mills I am going to take a shot at correcting the date placement and window issue. A little cannibalization from the original MBW. Move the date placement that 1 mm further away from the side with the MBW inner bezel ring which is "steeper" and thus leaves more room between the dial numbers and the bezel, attempt to steal the "date window insert" (will have to take the dial apart to see how it is set up) and contemplate bracelet swap as I can't imagine the bracelet on this one is as good as the first generation MBW. Whadda ya think? Well, let me guess who's doing the artistry; and only one person can do what equates to moving a building to another dimension .. look forward to seeing the final My take on the bracelet.. I ordered a gator strap.. If I'm going to keep this piece .. the only way it'll work for me is with a leather or gator strap... I'm not into hip-hop clothing Look forward to seeing the finished piece W.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Lani- I have no idea whether either ideas will work. I don't have the new one. Do you have both? If so please eyeball it. Not looking for a definitive yes - I will take that risk. But if it is an obvious no simply from looking at both together I would opt to get a different dial on the new one and keep the MBW in one piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK471 Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Oops, he did it again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 I see Puretime has the black dial AP, with a black date window! Pictures! Looks pretty good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triosLescano Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 I think that is is the chinese policy of products In the past only AP quartz was available Yesterday was available AP running at 9, then MBW running at 9 more detailed and finest, then the second version, to day AP running at 12, then AP improved, then MBW running at 12, then Ultimate, then the second version MBW ecc... but this is a play, if you love it you play, if you dont love it , you collect stamps...... Between one or two or three years there will be reps without these defects, but perhaps they have others defects........ The market changes. I bought my first MBW by George after a long search, today eurotimez sells you all MBW MBK without any difficulty The future has some surprises for us, i think...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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