Ray T Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 incoming pictures soon! whoever assembled my watch used a small caseback oring that didnt even fit!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 here are direct links, if they are too big, let me know! If its too many pictures pm me, i will remove links and post a direct link to the album with a guest password Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 here are direct links, if they are too big, let me know! Thanks for the pics. The caseback on the right is what I see on all the 7016/0 & 7928 gens in my archives. As much as there is alot of musical chairs going on with movements in some of the Tudor Subs, I have not seen the movement in your 7928 used in any of them. This makes me think these movements, while gen, are pulls from other watches. The corrosion in some of these cases makes me think that although they are probably aftermarket, they were made some time ago. Could you take a full frontal pic of both watches side-by-side? I would like to compare the dials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Some quick pics from one of my point and shoot cameras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Guys I am so gutted to have missed these they look sweet. Wear them well Gents, they look great ST4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Thanks, Ray. That is exactly what I wanted to see. The dial on the left is like mine, the dial on the right is different than either Chris's or the dial posted on girard's website. So there are at least 3-4 different dials in this lot. Most of the Tudor 'rose' Subs have only 'SWISS' at the bottom, so I am mostly convinced that all of these dials are aftermarket. However, ignoring that, they still look pretty good. I have a feeling the movement in your 7928 got in there by accident. It was probably pulled from the wrong watch, but since the rotor said 'Tudor', in it went. None of the Tudors in my archive have that movement. So, the game's afoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star69 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Hi, in my opinion all parts - except the movement are made in Vietnam - Phong sells the same watch - i wish we could get a vintage Rolex of the same quality change the crown + tube and insert and you done. the biggest flaw is the dial : SWISS T<25 is wrong - that's why i removed it on mine. also it looks to new the movement may be genuine - at least my watchmaker thinks so. cheers, Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 in my opinion all parts - except the movement are made in Vietnam - Phong sells the same watch - i wish we could get a vintage Rolex of the same quality Still quite a compliment since Phong is selling his 2836-2-powered version for close to $1,000. the biggest flaw is the dial : SWISS T<25 is wrong - that's why i removed it on mine. also it looks to new I assume you mean you removed the dial (if you know how to remove the SWISS T<25 & replace it with a centered 'T SWISS T', I would love to know what you did). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitimany Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Hi, in my opinion all parts - except the movement are made in Vietnam - Phong sells the same watch - i wish we could get a vintage Rolex of the same quality change the crown + tube and insert and you done. the biggest flaw is the dial : SWISS T<25 is wrong - that's why i removed it on mine. also it looks to new the movement may be genuine - at least my watchmaker thinks so. cheers, Frank Agree, last visit to Saigon I saw a couple of Tudor that were very close to the real thing, but the price was higher than U$250. Great buy, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star69 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Still quite a compliment since Phong is selling his 2836-2-powered version for close to $1,000. I assume you mean you removed the dial (if you know how to remove the SWISS T<25 & replace it with a centered 'T SWISS T', I would love to know what you did). you have 4 options imho : leave it like it is - even 99,99 % of the gen collectors think its real get a gen dial - not so cheap get a good aftermarked one - Michael Young sells them for 150$ or - paint it over - and age the dial with clear varnish or similar - that gives a nice vintage effect. cheers, Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polexpete Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Exactly. But also for gens minted during the same period. Anyone have a known gen 7016 caseback they can post good, clear pics of (I am searching my picture archives as we speak)? Here you go Freddy, off of my gen 7016.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 get a good aftermarked one - Michael Young sells them for 150$ cheers, Frank Who / where is Michael Young???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarini Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 I emailed girards a few days back these were finiton gone in the wind... hot items no doubt Laz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star69 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Who / where is Michael Young???? http://www.classicwatchparts.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 http://www.classicwatchparts.com/ Ah thanks, I didn't make the connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chino Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 What a beautiful watch! it looks like the rep dials are easy to spot in the rose's petals and the swiss < T25, as it should be T swiss T. still, it's an old watch, it isn't illogical to think that may have been that way, very passable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southcoast68 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 My order for this was supposed to go out this week. Did any one else get a confirmation of it being shipped, or just a confirmation of the order? I am now really curious of what I will get if I get one. (keeping fingers crossed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Here you go Freddy, off of my gen 7016.... Thanks Pete. Yours looks like most of the gens in my archives. Like most aftermarkets, the fonts are slightly sharper & shallower on my caseback. The individual shapes of each letter are also ever so slightly different, which is a hallmark of an aftermarket part. But, otherwise, it looks pretty close to yours & the other gens in my archive. Alot of the gen casebacks have been worn or polished, leaving the lettering less legible. So I may try sanding the outside of the caseback over the weekend to see if I can widen & dull out the edges of the fonts. If they were 'worn' & less articulate, it might fly. Other than my caseback having a date (I have seen similar date engravings on a number of gen casebacks), the inside of mine looks pretty close to yours. But is the gasket & gasket channel wider than mine? It looks like it is 3 times as wide, or is that just dirt or corrosion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 you have 4 options imho : leave it like it is - even 99,99 % of the gen collectors think its real get a gen dial - not so cheap get a good aftermarked one - Michael Young sells them for 150$ or - paint it over - and age the dial with clear varnish or similar - that gives a nice vintage effect. Frank, how did you re-paint the word 'SWISS' in the center after you blacked-out the existing text? Can you post a macro pic of that area on your dial? I checked MY's site, but he does not list a Tudor Sub dial. If you have 1, can you also post a pic of that? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polexpete Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Thanks Pete. Yours looks like most of the gens in my archives. Like most aftermarkets, the fonts are slightly sharper & shallower on my caseback. The individual shapes of each letter are also ever so slightly different, which is a hallmark of an aftermarket part. But, otherwise, it looks pretty close to yours & the other gens in my archive. Alot of the gen casebacks have been worn or polished, leaving the lettering less legible. So I may try sanding the outside of the caseback over the weekend to see if I can widen & dull out the edges of the fonts. If they were 'worn' & less articulate, it might fly. Other than my caseback having a date (I have seen similar date engravings on a number of gen casebacks), the inside of mine looks pretty close to yours. But is the gasket & gasket channel wider than mine? It looks like it is 3 times as wide, or is that just dirt or corrosion? Hey Freddy, haha! no thats just a very squished gasket that needs replacing... P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Hey Freddy, haha! no thats just a very squished gasket that needs replacing... Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star69 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Frank, how did you re-paint the word 'SWISS' in the center after you blacked-out the existing text? Can you post a macro pic of that area on your dial? I checked MY's site, but he does not list a Tudor Sub dial. If you have 1, can you also post a pic of that? Thanks. he told me he can make the dial - check the listing on ebay from NDT - but it takes around 6 weeks. sorry - no pics - watch is already on the way to the new owner ... i didn't repaint SWISS - but tried to kind of fake it ... i think its nearly impossible do do the painting by hand. cheers, Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 he told me he can make the dial - check the listing on ebay from NDT - but it takes around 6 weeks. Do you mean that MY is copying NDT's dial & selling it for half of what NDT is charging? sorry - no pics - watch is already on the way to the new owner ... i didn't repaint SWISS - but tried to kind of fake it ... i think its nearly impossible do do the painting by hand. I agree - it is nearly impossible to paint text on the dial, but I thought you had figured another option. I will check with MY or just leave the dial as is. Thanks Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star69 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Do you mean that MY is copying NDT's dial & selling it for half of what NDT is charging? I agree - it is nearly impossible to paint text on the dial, but I thought you had figured another option. I will check with MY or just leave the dial as is. Thanks Frank. so far yes - the NDT dials are the same - at least all that i could compare. its a nice little business for NDT and others ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 so far yes - the NDT dials are the same - at least all that i could compare. its a nice little business for NDT and others ... It just occurred to me that the NDT dial is made to fit a Tudor 390 movement (26mm dia with feet at 2 & 8 o'clock). Do you (or anyone else) know if the dial feet positions on the 390 are the same as the ETA 2483? I think you can see 1 of the dial feet coming through the backside of the pillar plate a few mm's southwest of the stem in this picture of my watch, which would put it at 2 o'clock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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