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Hi, If you are considering ordering from George and watchmaker9.tv please reconsider. Long story made short I made a pre-order for the sea dweller sending my funds in good faith and after multiple delays (said it would be ready by a certain month and when that month arrives they push it back more months) over a year later I have received no watch and no estimate to when the watch will become available. I requested a refund which George agreed to and after some weeks the refund did not materialize and my emails were no longer responded to. After explaining the situation to my credit card company and submitting email correspondence as fraud evidence the credit card company (and not George) issued me a refund. I have in the distant past had successful dealings with George and watchmaker9.tv. Unfortunately after this wasteful and downright criminal experience I will no longer do business with them. I ask you: do you want to do business with someone like this? And I am not alone. Consider the various posts made by different people on their own discussion forum: http://www.watchmaker9forum.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=2 Buyer beware!