crystalcranium

It's true. I've done the side by side test with an identical beat rate genuine Rollie and the sweep is smoother. I guess you can have identical horsepower V-8 engines but the Northstar is going to run smoother than the Hemi.

That sounds great. Actually, I decided to get my YM from EL and I'm about a week away from ordering it and will then need to replenish mad money funds so patience will not be a problem. Thanks so much for making this available for the community

Oh man....this is great stuff Ubi!!!. I'm going to use it and swap out this mess of a dial in Pauls $120 YM. I'll have an ETA 2836 YM with a spot on dial for $195 when you include WU fees. Thanks. Pauls YM Grey Dial The ultimate!!!

Yes, second that, if it's going to have ETA feet that will eliminate mounting manipulations, count me in!!! $50...is that correct????

Have no idea but you can probably have someone engrave it for you BTW, I read, I think in one of By-tors Omega reviews that the lettering on these rotors was not held on by adhesive but rather by the adhesion tension of the oil on the surface of the rotor. When he wiped the rotor clean, off wiped the letters.

The issue is will a movement be damaged by running without lubrication/servicing and I think the answer is probably not. Even if the worst happens and a jeweled bearing needs to be replaced at servicing because of poor lubrication, this is an easy fix. The tolerances are so fine in these micromachines, they will perform erratically or stop running before you can do any long term damage to them by running them as is out of the box. The Tissot you mentioned might give you 10 years of reliable time keeping before it needs service. The ETA in our reps might give you 3,5,7...who knows but using it until it needs service shouldn't be a long term problem.

I don't worry much about the movements. As long as they re "ETA" or copies of proven designs, I know they can be serviced at some point and I expect they will give me years of service. What I worry more about are the cases and the quality of the machined parts. I already hace screw down crowns on several reps that are getting rougher to use and a few casebacks that screw on and off less than smoothly.

What an ass#$*e!! Did your sattelite radio subscription expire and you missed your morning dose of Howard Stern? Are you a little antsy because summer vacation is coming to an end and junior year of High School is going to be "such a bummer"???. Why don't you gift your insight, expertise and incredible communication skills to a message board that could appreciate them like say....a discussion group about the movie "Porkys 2"????? I hope Harvard has a spot on the debating team saved for such a soaring intellect as yours.

What a great site and thread. I've already learned so much. I was ready to plunk down $800 on a "faux' tourby until I found out it was not a true center hub movement. $2000 for a replica movement would take a lot of soul searching. There are several genuines I would love to have for this price. If we had some data on reliability etc, it might be worth the investment just to get my hands on a real one of these for 1/25th the price of a Swiss made one. As for the utility of a tourbillon in a wrist watch, from what I have read, if you kept your wrist watch in your coat pocket all day, it might have some practical application. In a wrist watch, it's just facinating technological window dressing.

There are two generations. Heres a thread where it was discussed. http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...;hl=tourbillion Addingwatch is the owner of both generations and had the second evaluated by Ziggy and the opinion is that it is of "much higher quality" than the first copy. It looks like it is copied from a Breuget tourbillion design. I want one for sure but this is a major "watch allowance savings program" undertaking.

Andrew has a genuine!!!!! Cost: Priceless Get some sleep dude....you'll need it!

Beautiful watch but the subdials are wrong size and position. Same is true on the A Lange. The lemania that these genuines are based on is not replicated in this movement. I wish the rep factories would do more copies of genuine 2 subdial chronos that are based on the Venus 175. Maurice Lacroix has an absolutely gorgeous chrono with a display caseback that shows off the Venus caliber movement and our "Lemania" movement, which is actually a copy of the 175, would show off beautifully and realistically. There would be no subdial spacing issues either.

I agree whole heartedly. One of my replica fantasies is to get a Chinese Tourbillon powered watch some day. I'm willing to put out $600-$900 for one of these babies when they have passed the muster of reliability. This will allow me the opportunity to own a tourbillon watch for about 1/50th of the cost of a "haute horologie" tourbie. Just how many watch lunitics like myself, number one, know what a tourbillon is and desire one, two, know a Sea-gul watch company tourbillon movement is available and that it is now in its' second generation of production, and three, would be willing to plunk down enough scratch to obtain one? I think if I ran the numbers and honestly evaluated them, I would be in VERY rare company. I do agree that some of this good fortune does feel too good to be true. Both my GT and Tag Chrono leave me feeling somewhat paranoid that I have gotten one over big time. I think the true end of the show will come when China slams the door (and the jail cell door) on counterfeits but this isn't happening any time soon. When they do though, it will all be over and in short order. As someone posted in a similar thread on this subject before, no one gets it done like the Chinese when they decide "game over". I believe IT copyright infringements, ie: $10 copies of Windows OS's, are going to be the dealbreaker for the counterfeit businesses in China, not the watch guys. It is a FAR bigger illegal trade and much more of an afront to the legit companies.

5 hours now since adjustment...+- 0 sec. Thanks!!!

I wouldn't worry about the market being threatened with a flood of "as good as the genuine article" replicas spoiling everyone's good time here. This is first and foremost, an illegal business. The genuine companies consider the $30 quartz reps a flattering annoyance and they are produced in large numbers but are no threat to their market. Some here have commented one of the biggest street dealers in New York does business right around the corner from Rolex USA's corporate offices. They dont look like the real thing and are not being bought by any potential buyers. Our watches are another story. Other than the subs, reps like the GT and the Tag chrono are produced in runs of 1000-2000 pieces, not exactly a flooding of the market, but they are good enough, and demand a high enough price, that the dealers have to be careful and discreet. I still think we are small potatos. Yes your friend's reaction to the GT rep is a common one among the very few who have been exposed to one.

Maybe I'm deluding myself into thinking I'm still special, it wouldn't be the first time, but I still think the higher end of the market is rare air. The world has been awash with Canal Street replicas for 25-30 years and I still believe this constitutes the bulk of what is sold. I think it takes a certain special brand of mental illness to rationalize spending $300 on a replica watch and I'm a proud member of that elite class.

I'm not sure and I'm certainly no expert here but don't expect there to be a lot of grass roots engineering in the replica watch world. The Chinese make the best of just a few base movements and their variants are accomplished with some quick and dirty short cuts. The asian 7750 in it's current incarnation is day and date capible. I think there is probably a day wheel under the dial of my date only Tag Link Chrono and the dial, not the movement, determines how much is displayed. The dial arangement on an ETA 7753 movement is replicated by taking the existing 7750 copy and using transfer gears to move the minute counter dial to the 3 oclock position from the 12 oclock spot. There was no need to replicate a 7753 from the ground up, just a quick and dirty change to the base chrono caliber. I don't know if the old 7750 was day capible. I can't think of any reps powered by it that displayed both.

My love for Josh is well known. He is a little bit more expensive than some of the other dealers here but he is very dedicated to customer service. He tests all watches prior to sending them out and makes good on reasonable demands for returns and exchanges. There are other dealers here in the recommended section that enjoy equally devoted followings.

That's a new 28,000 bph 7750. The new one does not have the balance adjuster scale and pointer on the balance arm. New 7750 Old 7750

Great site. Thank You!!!

Ahemmm...I thought you were done buying reps.... We told you so...

Roger that. I moved the 2 dot lever and slowed the watch to an imperceptable change over 1 hour from gaining about 2 sec per hour. Time will tell. BTW, not that I did it, (echhhhhh!!!!) but what would happen if I move the other lever?

Thanks but I still don't know which one of the two "tabs" on the balance wheel to move and in which direction to slow it. Maybe if you could use this image as a reference to describe it.

Mine is running about +45 sec/day. Thanks

Wow...beautiful crown. That's a rare, crisply machined detail you do not find on many sub reps. This one has the rarer dial printing though. My search has been for the dial with the more common spacing between Oyster Perpetual Date. Might be worth a second look though. Hey, these are cheap enough, I can buy both and switch the crowns!!!!!! Someone please stop me!!!