JohnDorian

Talking about this watch: http://www.trustywatchguy.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30_191&products_id=5721 I'm curious how good the AR is and if it's really such a finely decorated Swiss ETA. How about lume, is it just rep lume? I'm trying to decide between this and one of Vac's 3717s. Anybody know what the diff between the link above and this is: http://www.trustywatchguy.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30_191&products_id=5325

Does it fit the gen? How's the quality in terms of clasp and finish?

Ah I see. Well it is the prevailing information at both TZ and WUS, but maybe you have more info than the mods there.

I'm not sure you understand. 1. IWC before 2007 did the seconds at 6 modification as well replace parts and do extra QC that greatly decreased internal friction. 2. Post 2007, ETA did the modifications for 6 without all the extra QC that IWC did. This has to do with ETA stopping shipments of ebauches and as a cost saving measure for IWC.

Yes, it used to be IWC did the modification themselves before 2007. After then, IWC has been receiving fully modified movements completed from ETA and not doing their own set of modifications and QC. Pushers look definitely shallower than a gen: http://cdn2.overstock.com/images/products/L10469819.jpg

Hmm gen sitting on my wrist right now The pushers are definitely taller. The crown cuts also don't seem quite as deep or sharp. Very nice rep though. I'm curious if the movements Concepta are getting are post or pre 2007. In 2007 IWC started receiving fully made movements from ETA and they don't modify them anymore. Pre 2007 IWC only received ETA ebauche kits and did all the modifications and extra QC themselves.

The pushers don't seem to stick out enough.

Whats the mm on that deployant?

These are great reps. The 0 on the 10 always kills me on these though. It's like the B in EBEL. Almost all the reps have these two markers applied on crookedly.

Man, this makes the waiting killer.

Yay

What the heck, are the seconds hour counters? The subdials seem to be all incorrect.

How close is the modest case to the gen after you do the brushed steel mod?

Great pics. Like most reps, its the dial face that always doesn't do it for me. The markers seem to be not aligned with the numbers and the 12 applied marker seems to be slightly crooked. The only applied marker dial face I've seen that is just as stunning and perfect as the gen has been the Ebel 1911 Panda chrono. The only problem with those is that of 3 I've bought in the past, ALL of them had a crooked B in EBEL. It also seems the date wheel isn't centered but that should hopefully be not too bad of a fix.

Can't wait to get mine in. Waiting is the worst part.

Well keep in mind there's not just 1 or 2 factories. I'm sure another factory will come along with something better.

The 2836 GMT mod is certainly no where near as reliable as a 2893. The ICHS 2836 GMT is pretty fragile.

Right I was thinking because the movement would sit lower, the dial wouldn't meet the rehaut of the case.

That would probably entail a custom dial too and probably a case as well... sigh.

2893 is thinner than the 2824 and 2836 so I think the crown position would be off for existing cases.

There seems to be lots of reports that the 2836 ETAs modded to be GMT isn't the best solution out there. Apparently the mods break down easily and they're a pain to work on even in the incorrect hand stack versions. Has this been your experience? Is there any way to fit a 2893 which is designed by ETA to be a GMT movement into a current GMT rep case? I'm thinking about putting together a franken GMT but the movement bothers me.

I see Watcheden has one but are there any other Fortis reps out there?

Yup, you're right. it seems the primary problem in fitting the gen dial is the gen dial is too small? The rehaut is at a 75 degree angle in the gen but the rep case is 90 degrees. Does that mean then the dial doesn't cover the dial opening on the rep case?

I have a gen dial, I was just looking for a way to put it on a watch Thanks for the reply though, I sent him a PM!

Any ideas where I can get a case and a set of hands for this movement gen or rep would be ideal.