OldeCrow

I haven't actually posted over here in several years shame on me!

and I'm not posting a rep either shame on me again!

avitt

for crying out loud, check your PM's!

As someone else eluded to there is also an advantage to the ladies movement, the movement ring can be drilled for a genuine rolex dial as well as the eta dial making it more flexible for modding... just a thought...

Historically that ladies sized movement has a reputation for being "moody".. all things being equal it should be just as good a movement as the 2824/36 though.

The big problem this option presents is that now if you want to do a movement upgrade you are pretty much limited to the ladies size movement again, while it may for the moment be more available in the piles of dead swiss movements the rep dealers scavenge movements from in the long term it means an added hassle trying to source a movement ring for the 2824/36..

To be practical even the sea-gull 2892 copy would be a better option, it's available, reasonably reliable and can be replaced with pretty much any eta movement....

maybe I just need more coffee and less keyboard time

Am I the only one here who thinks that movement is the F*$ktardiest, wackjob, cracksmoking, ass pounding of a hackjob in the history of overpriced reps?????

crap the 2678 is touchy on a good day but after it's been tossed around the world, mishandled by some five year old in their parents coat closet (AKA a rep factory) that movement isn't going to last two years!!

but hey great lume!

HA I spotted it this morning and just reported him to ebay, screws in bracelet, misaligned bezel insert and similar problems with another of his listings too..

What a crook!

looks like a lot of rollie love this weekend!! well just to be different...

It's an RWG conspiracy to get you to hang around here and listen to the radio all day

It must be a problem with RWI's host too cuz I just checked the hosts url and they are unavailable too...

Where can i get these besides Ofrei??

Anyone know/help?

Thanks

http://www.livesaysinc.com/

Well my case and point with the whole issue is that eddie fails to communicate...josh and andrew DO NOT work like this.

He has not followed up on this post and continues to not send tracking or information to those who have ordered. He stated something above and did not follow through.

While I understand your angst, if ever there was a dealer that was safe to just not worry about it is EL.

maybe a fun watch for kids if it's priced at $60.00 shipped

Neil perhaps you are right, maybe I am one of the unluckiest ones here.

I don't think so though, when some of the other quiet ones on these forums (I've even heard forum moderators get a little too honest a time or two) get loose lips they sing the same tune so either there are a lot of people around here who just have low standards or there are a few more people around here who just don't bother to complain.

I did report and my review my first several rep purchases last year (on trc) before my fingers got tired.

To your credit Neil the PO I got from you early last year was one of the best reps I have had. At least I didn't have to rebuild your watch like a snap together model and it ran flawlessly and had all the gaskets where the should be and the bracelet was the best quality of any I have seen so far.

I did not mean to imply that the quality has not improved, I have a drawer in my watch toolbox just for the old reps to remind me how far they have come but they really are still no where near even a cheap genuine brand name watch.

to make matters worse I have many brand name watches that came with nice boxes paperwork and warranty that are Swiss powered, assembled in Asia, and cost less than reps. Sometimes half as much especially when you start talking about Swiss 775x chronograph powered reps. So where is all this money going? not into making a rep that is as good as a genuine.

I'm not saying that the reps should be as good as the watch they copy but they should at least come with sapphire when they say they are not sapphire coating and they should at least be real 316 stainless when they say they are and they should have all the gaskets they are supposed to and they should have all the screws tightened and they should not have tool marks on them that look like a three year old has been working at it with a pair of pliers and they should not have foundry dust, leftover lunch, and other crap inside them with the movements either.

All of these things I have seen in replicas I have bought from the majority of our dealers in the last year!

If I had had this kind of experience from just one dealer I would be inclined to dismiss it but I have bought at least one watch from just about every dealer and the problems are pretty much spread evenly so I am inclined to believe it is a systemic problem.

I would love to buy ten or fifteen reps this year and have better than 50 percent garbage rate! Maybe 2006 was just a bad year for me

You know Pugs I was going to reply to this over on the other site but it steered in a slightly different direction and I kept typing pages of crap before I was done so I never posted in it there.

When I first started back into reps and found these forum sites I was determined to review every rep I bought but it quickly became obvious that I was going to spend all my time complaining about every single one for these kinds of issues on every single watch and that was before I got to the actual problems with the watches!

I also realized that if people really wanted to admit and hear that these reps were still canal street garbage with a little more spit shine there wouldn't be any need for these forum sites so my complaints would fall on deaf ears, kind of like yours.

To date I have not had a bad transaction with any of the dealers but the product remains terrible at any price and they are very overpriced!

I still get drawn into the latest great rep and regret it every single time but I am a sucker and remain eternally hopeful that someday I really will see a one of these "high quality" reps people spend so much time lying about.

the pessimist

Even the host for RWI is offline at the moment. Somebody musta fliped the wrong light switch!

The wobbly crown issue seems to effect PAM 222s as well... Is there some way to remove the spring?

no I don't think there is any practical way to remove the spring. You can upgrade/downgrade to a solid crown.

I don't think the second run of crowns is due out for a while yet but Palp was making some noise about taking money a couple weeks ago.. I never got any info or a request to send any so I'm patiently waiting...

I suspect sprung crowns are going to be the new standard on the pams. It makes them a lot easier and faster to fit and also will allow for a better seal at the crown.

The real issue with fitting the crowns properly either sprung or unspung is that if the crown and lever are resting against the stem in the keyless works instead of the crown seating against the crown tube you don't get a water tight seal.

@Dani - EL's version is supposed to be different (Bezel font is smaller) do you have some pics? THX

I literally got EL's yesterday, the markers are stout and the "S" is uniformly shaped unlike the genuine and Neils! The markers are glued on with something that resembles superglue.

It's still awesome and its running an amazing +- 2sec in 24hr! I removed all the raised markers from mine just to spare myself the agony of loosing one.

I would go with Neils while he's got them if you're after the look!

here's mine without the markers

It never ceases to amaze me the stuff Neil comes up with!

He doesn’t seem to run warm, either smoke-n hot or cold.

And he’s smoke-n hot more often than not!

I'm surprised that there was more demand for 2.1 over 2.0 since the gen is 1.9... I would have thought 2.0 would be most popular. Oh well, I'm still in for one!

Its ok if the rep stuff is a little bigger than real life, it will still look normal! its only a problem if its smaller than real life then it looks smaller!

(there is a size joke there somewhere but I'm not going to look for it )

I don't know about Davidsenjpn's cases, but I've been told numerous times that the cases on handwind and auto pams are identiical, and that the backs make the difference. I can't back this up w/ experience, however.

There is one other critical difference between manual and auto cases.

The manual wind cases use two movement clamps and have two notches cut in the inside of the case.

The automatic cases use three movement clamps and have three evenly spaced notches inside of the case.

This makes it very difficult to change one into the other because the movement cannot be clamped to the case the whole thing will rattle around inside.

I'll need at least one for a PAM028a

hehe ok I'll hold my breath a little longer then

UPGRADERS:

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one info for the buyers of the first edition of PAMela crown: PAMela will give you the possibility to upgrade to the new version. you can upgrade with paying a small amount. if you want to do that, please write PAMela an email with your request and info. Only he has the data of the first batch, therefore he will handle that.

it will fit, no need to worry

the new movement will come with a stem though so you can size it and install it if you want

It's nice to see this project still alive!

I've got six of the first gen crowns! three unitas, three eta

I've got one of them on my 111h now, a subtle improvement over the stock rep crown.

I would really like to be wowed by a crown though!

"OldeCrow" while you're satisfied with them it's great, but other people may have had more acceptable crowns to begin with. So when they saw what product they are getting they bought them based on the pictures PAM supplied. When you receive something that is considerably different you do get disappointed. I am one of those people, not flaming, just would like to hear his explanation on that.

I understand completely, in fact if I had known that these crowns were less than advertised I would not have bought them but by the time the warning went out it was too late for me.

I am in a little bit different situation, I am building a couple of pam style watches and since they are not “reps” they don’t have to be exact so I will get my moneys worth out of the crowns I bought.

I would also be interested in hearing from Marcus on the issue too just to hear his thoughts on the matter.

I am still thrilled to have some extra crowns in my parts drawer though!