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True. And to add to the confusion, the old-case that used to house A7750 had a non-functional date pusher on the case, even if you slotted ETA7753 with quick-set feature at 10 o'clock it wouldn't work, as the pusher wasn't design to work with the gen mov't.

I'm confused as well... Last night I compared dial photos of older 250 rep with A7750 and the new 250 with A7753. The DW placements on both look identical. Definitely not even close to ETA7753 DW placement on my EL PAM196 with gen 7753. It appears as someone mentioned before they used A7750 for a base and added the thicker DW and quick-set DW function on the case at 10 o'clock. Something's fishy here, indeed.

As disturbing as it seems I guess we won't know that before someone takes the dial off one of these Asian "7753" mov'ts. I agree, so far it doesn't look good but it could still end up being a 7753 clone on which they kept the 7750 type DW assembly.

Good thinking, IMO. The old-school V1 196 case should be just as good or even better than the new incoming 188/199 H-series ones. But make sure you have the one built for ETA7753 mov't. The rumor was back then the old good case was made from a gen, and if the claims about this latest ones are true, they should be the basically the "same". I'm just not sure about the '316F vs 316L' steel grade and how much that actually matters. ...pretty sure the old case was made from 316L as the majority of the Pam reps in the past were cheers, b

We used to refer to the old cases simply as V1 and V2. That's where the root of confusion was. cheers, b

They aren't wrong. The new A7753 powered 188 comes with the correct case including the lugs with screws. What is 'wrong' is the lever with a roller on a PAM188. Easy to swap with the old one, if that bothers you

Few photos from Angus' Web site...I hope he won't mind The bezel does look like a correct one with higher profile and thickness: The new hex crown tube It appears the CG on these has a small gap at the far edges, but only noticeable in macro, so nothing to worry about, really. Remember the age old excuses from rep factories in the past that went something like "...sorry but we are unable to make a H-series CG as the manufacturing and CNC process is quite a compex one..."...well, this time they've overdone themselves..big thumbs up for that CG below. If nothing else it provides a hint to what the new incoming 111/112 CGs might look like One thing I noticed amongst others on these new Daylights is that the level of finish of machined parts is head above the rest...this is getting really close to gen CNC finish. Can't wait to get mine !!!

Awesome pieces, Eddie - great attention to detail!

Love it, mate! That thing is beautiful!!!

Sorry I'd disagree with that statement, have a look for yourself mate...below post from Tanya, gen 250 on the top. The only thing that some rep-purist may wish to do on their 236/250 is the DW upgrade, although not necessary. And the center posts on small chrono hands should be silver, but that's about all I could pick...let us know if you believe we missed something...

Yeah, it appears so. That new 188 white dial isn't up to scratch or high standard of a new 250/251/236 dials. I'd rather wait a little longer than end up with a dial that leaves a lot to be desired. IMO, once they make these dials and models that's it, I don't think they will go for V2 or similar like they did with some Breitlings.

I'm with Mickey on this one. As far as the bezel is concerned it looks correct to me after checking some of photos Josh sent to another member. Height, thickness, width and all... Dom, I agree - this is a whole new ball game now, these look as good (or even better) as some of the best ones from Honpo/EL era, now long gone. cheers, b

Thanks guys, much appreciated - glad you like them as well cheers, b

I rarely post pics of watches from my collection, but this time I was stoked how good the latest two came out that I just had to share my excitement, and also as a testament to wonderful FGD dials in general Both are fully 'loaded' with the latest and greatest parts we can source on the rep market these days, combined with some old-school stuff... pre-A PAM040 pre-A PAM001 Love them both! cheers, b

Nice 250 incoming, Mickey The more I look at that 236/250 dial the more it make me believe this must be one of the best replicated Pam dials ever. The closeness to the real thing is frightening On another note, it appears Leo and Takashi will stay in the DW business for some time... cheers, b

Andrew believes it should be silver color...let's hope he's right ;-)

Is it me or just an optical illusion...does it seem to you guys the large chrono hand they used here is white instead of silver color?! All 5 models seem to come with it

FYI...update for those anxiously awaiting a new PAM196...just received a confirmation from Andrew that it's in the pipeline but will be released a lot later as the factory is currently working on a new dial and sorting issues around it. Great news for all of us that prefer black Daylight with numbers instead of markers cheers, b

Very well done mate! Great aged/vintage Ti result in the end, wear it well! cheers, b

One can only hope M... That one was really well made, indeed. So this "new style" bracelet you mention, does it tappers to 22mm like a gen? You mention a new 196...which dealer? cheers, b

Not bad and major improvement over the current V2 version, although they could have done better. The bezel profile seems to be somewhere in between the old-school EL version that housed ETA7753 and the V2 cartel available until now. We'll need more pics or a first hand review to confirm with greater certainty. The dial is a major improvement, especially on the 188. The CG lever does stick out a little too much, it appears the lever hole was made for a rubber insert to mimic the gen, but they somehow forgot to install it in the factory. This should be an easy fix, surgical tubing and/or electrical wire insulation jackets are readily available for this. The 188H model config is slightly wrong though, the roller-ball lever and quick-release lug bars came few years later...deffo not on a H-series models. But what really excites me (as many others have mentioned already) is the availability of a 7753 clone mov't, new 3-6-9 Navitimers and Omega SMP300 A/Cup black chrono reps spring to mind not to mention dozens of others Anyway, patiently awaiting someone's review on one of these Daylights...

Mate, you're going to have to drop that avatar first, then we'll talk vintage Panerai stuff LOL! Seriously though, the watch in question and the likes has long past its 'rep' designation. True, it is a rep by its origin but to those serious vintage Panerai collectors and aficionados is so much more. In lieu of a genuine Panerai from the second WW era which are pushing well over $100K these days (if you're lucky to come across one on auction or sale, that is) this is as close the original Panerai DNA as those guys will ever get, and they don't even mind ending up with a hommage either. These watches transcend into a different fora and are more fitting the genuine/hommage collectors crowd than rep forums, IMO. The particular movement mentioned above is so scarce today it's close to impossible to find one in good working order and yes, the mov't itself commands prices upwards of $4K. Take that watch for example, replace the dial with the one without the text (Guille from Paneristi has done a similar project, BTW), ring Volker/Guille/Ralf and co from 'risti and believe me they will be all over it in no time. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's OK to dish out so much money on a rep or a hommage, but there's a whole different world of Vintage Panerai lovers out there that some 2 years ago wouldn't even blink before reaching for their credit cards for one of those watches. cheers! b

Last auction that was held sometime last year I heard it went for well over $100K. And then there's the actual availability which is close to none these days, as most of their current owners are guarding their prized possessions well ;-) Well executed vintage Pam reps with non-alarm Angelus are quite expensive, primarily due to scarcity and attractiveness of the movement itself. I can't say I'm surprised about the 7K Euro price tag for the one in question.

Yup, that's what I meant - a typo on the OP Web site. A prominent Paneristi Volker Wiegmann also confirmed the 036 comes without A/R, and he should know, he used to own a gen PAM036 ;-) The Panerai.com web site came up few years after the 036MM release. At that time the A/R'd xtals on PAMs were a norm and is likely the 036 xtal info was entered by mistake, by assumption. I'm not trying to pick a fight here mate, up to you if you want to believe this or not...really. cheers, b

That was a typo :-) We beat that horse to death few years back over at TRC & RWI forums ;-)