Daytona4me

The paint Dave is using in his post simply does not stick does it. It is as if he did not read my first post. Trying to spin the dradle but it does not work for him because he does not know what it symbolizes... I wish it were not so but the blind faith that people have because of good service and timely delivery does not help the populous because greed with a smile is promoted inadvertently. The kicker here is that a handful of people still cannot comprehend that I never was any part of this decision , any action involving these guys. Their abuses and intimidation with Hont was not reported to me, it was reported to Takashi, once I became aware of it I emailed hont to try and get more info... and when the decision was made to remove them from RWI I was happily frolicking in ocean off the coast of Florida with no computer or phone in sight. Now that I am back, hont sends me another email (2 days ago) that indeed, he has been cut off by the Hublot AAA maker (this is ANOTHER block to control prices, another separate incident ) who makes the Concord C1. This was done at the Request of Josh and Andrew as the maker explained "I cannot afford to loose their business, I have to do what they say". But Hont tells me he will be able to offer it soon. He is going to buy it through a middle man but at a higher cost which means he will not be able to sell for the low "non-greedy" cost which has been his business practice since becoming a dealer on RWI. Yet again, a price fix by the dynamic duo because they are empowered by people who think accountability stops at 4 day delivery and quick communication. But again.. my "Vendetta" for Josh and Andrew will overshadow the atrocities that they commit. This is because I am a fair easier target than them. People will feel that retribution by me is far less than retribution by them... this is intimidation and manipulation at it's best. Keep buying from them folks... be sure to lube up your pocketbook before you do... They have not increased the price of KY jelly yet.

The prices are out of control and they do not need to be. The reason is GREED.. nothing else.. And any of you who say that this is not really the case... I'll put my money where my mouth is and prove it to all of you. It is price fixing and greed. Want proof??? Stay tuned...

I have to apologize to RWG for adding my 2cents on the forum during the heated discussions about Josh and Andrew. My comments contributed to escalated the conversation to an unprofessional level, one that I would not have appreciated on RWI if I were staff. It appears that my activity has cast doubt on RWI and it's current staff. This is completely unfair and I have to clear some things up. I want to be clear about something. 1. I DO have an ax to grind with Repgeek, there were some underhanded tactics used by some as they were starting up.. enough about that. 2. I DO have an ax to grind with Josh and Andrew for multiple reasons. The first being the 2 counts of dealer intimidation that I received when I was on staff at RWI and the 3rd that Takashi received from the dealer hont. The second issue being a rocky relationship with the two of them and RWI because our members were critical of them including some staff who were customers of them. We did not stop it and we paid for it by their non participation (which hurts membership imo). 3. I am sorry for exposing my ax towards Repgeek in the threads here and started on RWI with screen prints. I felt it were necessary because a member had commented about no proof of intimidation or manipulation between cartel and RG. I felt it was proof and so I posted it. 4. I am biased towards RG and Josh and Andrew as I feel that Josh and Andrew are getting rich off of our forum members and it is driven by Greed, not the right to earn a living. I have no problem with them making money, I'm glad they do otherwise they would not be a source for members to buy replica watches from. I do not feel they should interfere with other dealers and their attempt to do the same (make money.. not sure if the greed factor applies yet). 5. I stepped down as admin on RWI over these feelings knowing that I could not live healthy with the despise that I hold and the constant reminder of it in front of my face on a daily basis. While although I lead with no biased towards them.. it was becoming increasingly difficult for me to perform my job junction without my feelings affecting my decisions. 6. I also stepped down as admin on RWI because I knew that the forums were only feeding the beasts. I am tired of the price gouging that is going on with these watches and I despise Greed. I was contemplating becoming a very cheap discount drop shipper who would offer the same watches (from the same factories as these dealers) at $25 or $45 over cost (this was my exact business plan) so that I could show members exactly how much the dealers were getting rich. My hopes were to hopefully bring prices down (as watch reviews and shiny pictures in wrist shots were only making them go up) and I planned to do this for exactly 6 months and then audit my success (both monetarily and the impact on the forum and prices for it's members). 7. The moment I had these feelings and began evaluating my options as a drop shipper I immediately stepped down as admin on RWI informing my staff and RWG admin TT and Thomas as to why my full plans were (including my exact business plan as outlined above). I did this so that all of my activity could be monitored (be it pm logs or open conversations) so that my Integrity which I have worked so hard on would not be questioned and my motives were extremely transparent. I did not announce this to membership as I did not want to have to handle PM's etc.. while I was still in the process of evaluating wither or not I would do this. I also had to determine how difficult it was going to be to create a website, obtain a credit card processor, etc. and started the processes of both (had to determine the difficulties of setting them up). What pains me is that despite my efforts to keep my Integrity in tact (being completely transparent to RWG and RWI admin) my activities as detailed above has distracted from the issues at hand with Josh and Andrew and the intimidation that they have done. I will simply say this, I have placed my word, my honor and integrity in the statements I made in the Josh and Andrew threads and gave exactly what I know to be told by me to parties involved. I in no way manipulated any evidence or conversations with any of the dealers (3) to which conversations were made. The Repgeek screen prints were only a re-post by me. The original author was TWP when he was still dealing and they were posted on RWI. I had a feeling they would be removed because they were quite damaging so I copied them (admin on all boards take screen prints, download pictures etc.. as posters can edit their posts and things are lost). With all of my honor I want to say that nothing was trumped up to look worse. Please do not allow yourselves to add 2 + 2 to get 4 but only when it is convenient for you. Turning a blind eye because the situation is difficult only empowers those who are doing wrong. If you have ever trusted me before, there is no reason to not trust me now. You have not been mislead or become a victim of someone else's vendetta. You are all free thinkers and capable of adding up some points and facts. Let it be known that I was at a business conference in Florida (one that I forgot to setup a meeting with some fellow RWG members near Miami (so sorry)) during the entire time that RWI debated and removed Josh and Andrew. I affected the decision by exactly 0%. Had I been contacted and asked my opinion I would have abstained as I have a very biased view of them. I was never contacted nor telephoned and asked my opinion of these two dealers. Despite all of these facts.. my Integrity and Honor have been called into question by some that I consider friends (and still do, although it will be hard for me to get over) my intentions were made known to Repgeek admin for which I would never condone and what respect that I worked very hard to create and maintain (maybe I'm being overly optimistic here) has now been tainted and ruined. I have worked very hard to be one of the good guys.. now I am labeled as a conspirator. It is for this reason that it is highly unlikely that I will proceed with my plans as outlined above and as difficult as it is for me to write this, it would be as difficult to play and enjoy my hobby where my motives are in question. Please know that I have poured my heart and soul into recovering RWI, please do not think for one minute that there is a single staff member there with an agenda. I hope that the inter-fora relationship with RWG can still exist and be strong, both communities need it. I hold no ill will towards anyone, and in the end, all is forgiven. As I find myself standing here, supporting what RWI did with it's actions, I also find myself on the outside looking in... just like the two that I commented about in those threads, done in by genuine efforts to bring truths and make things better. I am distraught and quite heart broken, betrayed in a sense.. and I dont know what to do. I guess it's time to ponder.... Take care friends, thanks for listening.. Greg

I have asked petergunny to make me one up and surprise me. I like a slightly distressed strap on this model. There are nice selections above but I have grown to love hand made ones. Now... off to find the buckle! Good luck on your search. I'll do some pictures of mine once made and received.

Not sure if this will help you or not but here is a data sheet on your movement.. maybe the reference material will help you?? ETA2892A2.pdf

Hey TT, I'd take you up on the "tossing" offer.. but I just dont swing that way..

roflmao, maybe someone can start a new "SUPPORT" thread where everything unrelated to price fixing and collusion can be posted..

See!! You were High Class long before you met us! lol.. Yes, indeed,, there are many replicators out there that are not "replicating" yetj find a way to cppy... (damn.. I'm confused now..) Thanks for sharing the pictures.. I would really love to see the movement... do you have a shot of it? Closed or Open caseback?

@topgun, RWI has removed them as dealers (I dont think they are banned) This thread was not started as a call to RWG to do the same. I say Pugwash & HK are both +1 Also,, I have seen some very nice comments from Offshore, HK, Pugwash ..etc.. all towards and including one another.. this may not have happened a long time ago if it were not for some serious efforts to put some problems behind all of us.. glad everyone is moving forward.

OR lanikai.. it is extremely relevant to this topic and the direct impact the cartels have on Price & Forum control. It again describes another influence that the cartel have. It is extremely relevant regardless of who's feelings it may hurt. Andy why in the world would this subject be "no touch" as I have read many many many threads on RWG where members tee'd off on RWI admin over the banning of TTK from our forum (only to see others do the same later) ... This is extremely relevant as there are a lot of truths coming out here... now... expect denials ... etc... whatever.. But someone proclaimed (any comment of RG and cartel collusion is pure speculation) .. see a couple pages prior to this one... So... here is the proof.. now I hope the membership can deal with it.

There was a time.. long long ago where there was a dealer named TWP. He was kicked off of repgeek because the cartel did not want him there. Andrew had a problem with him so he was removed. TWP posted all of this with screen shots of the conversation on RWI. The place went nuts.. they could not believe that repgeek was actually being run by the cartel. The [censored] stunk so bad,, repgeek added him back as a dealer pretty quick and TWP removed the screen prints of the shoutbox which were so damming.. I grabbed a copy of those prints before they were deleted because I had a feeling they would be deleted and lost forever. Here are those screen prints.. draw your own conclusions.. the entire staff is very sorry to TWP , they dont want to see him go.. Again.. another example of "control" this time.. it is clear that their influence or ...decisions... require that any thread that is posted about this event (which is a hot enough topic to have 14 pages on RWG right now) be deleted immediately.... and damage control happen almost immediately by Josh and Andrew doing a raffle on RG. ??? again..... draw your own conclusions... If anyone here is blind.. can someone lend them glasses..

Wither a hobby is illegal or not should never have any bearing on a discussion such as this. Blowjobs are illegal when paid for (in my country) so I choose wisely.. but knocking off the blond down the street because she was giving them for $20 less makes me think twice about who's lips will be on my organ... I dont want to be bit (wither it is by teeth or price). As for RWG,, pressure for them to remove Josh and Andrew.. I have not been told by any RWI admin that they are pressuring admins of RWG to do follow suit. These are not situations that anyone likes.. not fun at all.. I implore all of you... do not pressure RWG admin to remove or ban or anything like that. This would only add to the pressure that they already have with having a thread like this going. If they are even considering it, it is something that will likely be debated amongst the powers to be for a while. I've had to deal with these issues and they are not fun.. certainly do your best to not complicate it for them. The reason I say this is that is causes divisions that are completely unnecessary and upsets the overall membership... discussions are good,, mandates and ultimatums are not. Hope it never goes to that point.. and there is no reason it should.

That's the big question... I guess the best anyone (or any forum) can do is try to make a stand.. and try to have some impact. If it achieves nothing at all.. at least you can say that you tried. All this action does is inform others of who and what they are supporting with their money... You cant TELL me what to do with mine, but maybe I'll be more informed before I type in some credit card numbers. BTW Robbie,, I recently saw some beautiful pictures of yours recently... I was blown away and intend on searching for others that you have posted.. .you are gifted with a camera!

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents here on the word "Trusted" copied and pasted my post from RWI from a week ago..

Sorry to tell you this but the majority of watches purchased for 1:1 projects are financed by makers and other people... J&A have done some.. but they are not the source.... But it sure would benefit them for everyone to think it was! What is so funny is their last 1:1 project (the Skyland v1) is.... well..... lol.. not so perfect now is it, (hence, buying dial from different maker (the v2)) and giving it away until they can get theirs reworked. So all is not what appears in never-never-land. And you can bank on that.

Wow... my buttons are back to normal.. just landed .. .home now.. . I'll finish my story here.. . hont emailed me and said that he planned to list them on RWI... but looked at other dealers descriptions and noticed it said sapphire crystal and the maker told him that they were not sapphire and that he had not made any with sapphire yet. Hont specifically wanted to ask me if I felt maybe the maker had made a mistake and if he should just go with the way the other dealers were posting them as. I told him it is things like this that will leave a sour taste in peoples mouths.. DO NOT go with what everyone else was claiming ... buy a tester and test it yourself. He did.... and you see the results.. He copied the website links to Josh and Andrews website for reference when he asked me if he should follow suit... sorry I did not include them in this thread.. dont care to visit their website again. Anyway.. I think Pugwash and HK make good points here... 1. The sucking sound will return in 1 week because many members are too happy to simply get a watch.. so they could care less... 2. The only thing that will change anything is if we do not tolerate it anymore.. I hope and pray it is a simple mistake... I dont care if Josh and Andrew sell... I dont even care if they make money... I'm just tired of the [censored] and want it to stop. Price-fixing... threats to other dealers... Sapphires that are not Sapphire... Chwiss movement issues (which seem to still go undetected) ... etc... I really dont care who the dealer is ... dont care how things get fixed... I just hope it does soon... because the issues that I have heard/seen lately is considered Rape in most countries. And sad but true, some people like it! lol...

Sorry.. my CompuTer messing up rigHT now.... also.. Typing quiCkly from AirporT... Copied from RWI as I jusT PosTed THis THere ... THougHT all of you sHould know Too.... BTW... THis Transpired before Josdrew... were remoVed by THe RWI Admin.. CurrenT PAM292 owners... "look... no sappHire" HonT asked me abouT THis waTCH ... Said maker Told Him THaT SappHire Version noT made yeT.. I Told Him To Buy one and use a TesTer To CHeCk iT OuT. ....... No oTHer faCTory makes THis yeT so .... THaT CannoT be THe error!!!! (sorry,, my lower Case "T,C,H" noT working for some reason.. As you know... I Helped prepare HonT for Forum life.. insTead of Telling Him NO...THaT He Could noT sell Here.. I figured would be BeTTER for members To HaVe anoTHer GZ Based dealer To GiVe Us seCond Opinions... GLAD WE DID... see His email below... hello greg i had check but not sapphire glass,i found in market not come with sapphire glass yet please check picture regard hont One WITH SAPPHIRE!

Good find! These things come in handy when you need that one last tattoo!

Yeah... didnt see any watches.. lol

Any idea of when something like this would happen?

Welcome TOAD, I cut my teeth on TRC long long time ago when I was just lurking (I did so a couple times, cant remember all the usernames) now I'm more active. Welcome... enjoy... fresh new faces and some old ones too!

It might have and you did not notice it. Maybe very little play in this one and now farked up.. Did this to my 2006 Cousteau Diver... sold it broken for cheap. But my fingers are crossed for you... Hey.... WD40 ?? lol... no... just kidding..

I dont recall anything being special about it. If you pushed it to hard you probably screwed it up. I think it can fubar the keyless works too... You have to be very gentle when removing it.. Probably will need repair at this point... Hope someone can correct me and say I'm wrong..

I hear what you are saying. Wear it in good health, it looks great!

I'm surprised you bought a gen (I love the watch!) when the rep UPO are so damn good. I dont think i'll ever sell my PO... but have been eyeing a gen Breitling Chrono Avenger... so I here where you are coming from on buying a gen. Congrats.... good feeling isnt it m8 .