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Update 6-9-14

This information is from a member on RWI Valante.

 

"heres some pictures that will help you understand on what happening:"
 

Another update from Jamztio on RWI

Yes, the thinning is only done to the back side of the caseback as well as the back side of the case. Actually, the "slope" part on the gen caseback is still a bit flatter than the thinned rep caseback. But it can't be helped without re engraving. No rubber gaskets thinning are required, both front and back.

Quick pic of my franken compared with Buemi.

Update: 6/6/14 Ryan from intime told me that he modded his caseback by milling the gasket side of the case back, thus not having to re engrave the caseback. However, from what I can tell this changes the shape of the caseback.  It shrinks the sides of the caseback which seems to be correct without reducing the height of the slope which seems to be too high.  This may be why edge did it this way.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong. 
Gen pic


Stock rep. Notice the height of the side and the height of the slope.  The height of the slope seems much greater in the stock rep

This is the gen 

This is the Franken with the caseback modified from the gasket side.  Notice the increased slope height compared to gen and the reduced side height.

 Also, another member Valante from another forum offered another route.
"The Rep gasket is 1:1.

The reason why its being thinned, because the LWO movement is to deep inside using the rep case.

so the correct way is to thinning the case also from the back side.

then drill a channel for the rear gasket and re-bead blast the main case back.

then you do not need to thinning the gasket anymore.

good luck on your franken project.

AP Franken its one of the hardest franken, but worth every sweat and every penny out of it."

Hey guys, I know there are a lot of threads on frankening an AP but I thought I would start a thread from an AP noob perspective with no machinery skills or equipment as well as with the most current information about the process that I could find.  I am normally a Pam guy but about a month ago I decided to give the AP brand a try.  After buying an AP fc v3 and a Montauk Highway, I was hooked.  I had to get an AP franken.  After reading the forums daily about the frankening process I finally decided to pull the trigger and start the process.  Being a Pam guy and a lume freak I chose an AP model with bright lume.  It came down to the AP white themes or the rubberclad with white face.  Having read that the rep rubber bezel in the rubber clad is pretty cheaply made and the difficulty and cost in getting a gen bezel, screws and crystal, I decided to go with the white themes.  Also for some reason, this dial is more easily found on ebay or chrono24.

 

Movement

I sourced a  complete LWO movement(CP, hour wheel and cyclops included) from Namor who is a member here.  I was specifically looking for a complete LWO 283 movement because although previously it may have been easy and cheaper to purchase the movement without the cp, hour wheel and cyclops and source them later this no longer seems to be the case.  They seem to be impossible to find or buy for the average person.  As a result it has been advised to seek a donor watch such as a hamilton or tag chorno 2000 etc.. with the LWO movement.  These usually run for $600-$1200.  If you can't find a complete LWO 283 or donor watch then I would pass on any incomplete movement you find on ebay.  Another option is a 2890 with Dubois-Depraz module.  This seems harder to find and I can't seem to find a complete movement.  From what I read this seems to be a higher quality movement.

 

This is what I have with an arrow pointing to the hour wheel and washer that comes with a complete movement.

 

Dial and Tachy

Next comes the dial.  The non special editions are easier to source.  You can get them from ebay, chrono24 or your local downtown jeweler if they have a relationship with you.  I got mine from ebay.  They combo will run you about $1,000-$1,300. If you source just the dial it should be cheaper.

 

Here is my gen dial and tachy that I received.

 

Hands

Good luck finding them.  I have scoured the internet trying to find these.  If anyone can help me that would be great.  Bottom line, if by some lucky chance you come across a set, buy it or post the link here!  The rep hands will fit with a little help from our trusted watchsmiths.

 

Crystals

Ok, the gen Roos do not have any AR on the main crystal. None.  But...the gen crystal is of better quality then the rep sapphire.  Ideally you would get a single layer ar on the rep crystal or source a high end sapphire crystal.  The cyclops seems to have ar though with a purplish tint.  If you can source one of those let me know please.

 

Case mods

Ok, here is where most AP frankening projects fall apart.  Finding a local watchsmith who can do it besides Dom seems to be very difficult and expensive.  Without the case mods, this project is dead in the water.  The most important case mod is the filling and relocating of the crown tube to fit the LWO movement.  If you can't fit the movement, then no dial and no watch, I found a CONUS watchsmith that says he can do it.  I will report back the results when I get a rep AP white themes.

The next step is to thin the bezel gasket to allow the crystal to sit flush against the gen tachy.  The rep tachy is taller than the gen so the gasket needs to be thinned for a proper fit.

 

Once these two things are done you can quit.  You now have a fully functional franken.

 

If you have the skills or know someone who can do the rest then you can proceed to mill the mid case to gen thickness(i don't know exactly how thick that is), then bead blast it, then brush and polish as needed.  You can then thin the case back to gen thickness which should be 2mm.  It seems the proper way to do this is the mill the outside of the caseback and then re engrave it, then bead blast then brush it in a circular pattern. I would think you would to shorten the case back screws to accommodate the thinner case back but i'm not sure.

 

Anyway, this is as far as i've gotten.  If anyone can add more or help the process I would appreciate it!  I will add more as I learn more.

I also have a question about the movement. I always thought you needed the 2892 with the dd module.

I saw this on rg. It's a great build. I'm so tempted but I'm looking for a franken safari or rc.

I tried to swap an eta 7753 into it and it failed due to the date window. Look for my thread on rwi or rg

Wow Marlin, I thought that 210 was gen!

Beauty Marlin!

Just awesome!

Looks good. I'm looking for Pam 89. That dial and ti combo rocks!

It's not even close. Marlin's version is easily identifiable. Choice is easy. Marlin for the win.

Marlin swiss pam217

I have a rep panerai with the P9000 movt in my shop right now and it looks funny. I dont think it will ever be a super rep, since the movt is a normal 7750 with a plate over the top to look like the in house P9000.

Hi, you're the first watchsmith i've seen to get their hands on this movement. I was wondering how the movement was put together. Is the plate easily removeable to service the movement? Would it be possible to swap another A7750 or ETA7750?

Thanks!

hey

I want one for my pam 196 with 7753 and my pam 63 with 2893!

Sounds good joe,

I will hold my pam 63 for a few weeks. Hopefully by then the cyclops will have been done. I'm glad you're feeling better. I'm sure your services have been sorely missed.

In regards to the AR coating, I think I read somewhere that the gen did not come with AR coating. Not to say that it would not look nice

Also, I have been in touch with davidsen and he tells me that he is almost done with making hands for the 63 as well. He is currently finalizing plans to sell pvd versions of this watch.

Thanks guys,

EL is sending another crown and CG and he just sent me an email that he would be sending me an engraved rotor even though I didn't ask for one!

EL is the best!

I wouldn't even notice if you don't mention it.

It tilts a little and I can live with it.

You can check my pictures here:

http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=3634

I looked at your pictures and mine tilts more than yours. I think it also has to do with where the lever first contacts the crown. My lever contacts the crown high up causing it to tilt and then the amount decreases as the point of contacts begins to center. However it still is very tilted. At first I thought the crown was very loose because it sat so far from the case, but now that this is fixed, it still is loose and tilts a lot. Does your crown also feel wobbly when it is in the winding and time setting position? I just want to know if this is normal for this watch compared to the pams with other movements like the 7753 or 6497 movement.

Hey guys,

Good news and bad news. I received my pam 63 with the awesome 2893-movement from eddie yesterday! The watch looks great except for the typical crown and guard.

Good news:

I opened the back and yes it was the beautiful 2893-2 movement.

Bad news:

Rotor was not decorated. But hey, I can live with that since nobody will be opening up the watch any way

Good news:

GMT works flawlessly and the second hand is smooth as butter

Bad news:

Crown sits very far away from the case and tilts when the lever is locked so the crown stem looks bent when the lever is closed.

Jimmyfzu crown guard wouldn't fit since the crown sits so far from the case

Good news:

My watch repair guy shortened the crown so it sits flush against the case.

Bad news:

Crown still tilts when the lever is being closed and remains tilted when the lever is locked

Good news:

EL says he will send another crown and crown guard!

Overall a good experience with EL. I will definitely change the date mag, crown and lume ASAP. I just wanted to know if anybody else noticed this problem with the crown on the pam 63. My pam 196's with 7753 crown is sturdy when pulled out and does not wiggle in the winding or time setting position. The pam 63 crown wiggles a lot in both positions. Any body have any ideas what could be wrong? I will try posting pics tonight.

Thanks for any help

I think in the past the jimmyzfu CG were much better than the reps but recently, it seems if the rep CGs have improved except for the floppy lever. Now it's more for the rubber insert i think. When i get the pam 63, I will compare between the CGs and do a pictorial.

I didn't get mine yet either. He emailed me a couple of days ago that the tracking # was coming soon but i haven't received anything yet.

My strap and jimmy crown guard look lonely.

I would like two crowns. One for my pam 196 with 7753 and my hopefully soon to arrive pam 63 with 2893 movement

I will wait to see how this batch turns out. I am eagerly waiting for pics of the new batch!

Let me know if I can still get one too!