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I'm sure I read somewhere that Josh (or maybe it was someone else) had obtained a gen and was developing the first real 1:1 Deepsea rep. Of course, this would (if it is actually happening) be the V1 version which will be full of flaws before being developed into the the V2 which will address many of the problems but not them all before being further developed into the V1 Ultimate which will still be far from perfect and finally the V2 Ultimate which will still require modding... How many years has it taken before Eurotimez and BK finally show everyone how things should be done and deliver the world's most sought after rep timepiece - the Sub?...but even now BK is still having problems with the factories according to his latest post... Apologies for being so negative today but I'm heading back to work overseas again this morning and wont be home 'til next year so no festive season for me... Have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year everyone See Y'all Again In 2009

Spot on Ingo - that's exactly the point I was making in my last reply

Rude - No Confused - Yes I take the time to visit every site of our trusted dealers and go through their Cartier selection and make the effort to list everything they have for a newbie that's only just arrived on our forum and whose first post was about a scam site they were about to lose their money at and that somehow makes me rude... Take a look at my previous posts in this topic and you'll see I welcomed you to RWG (I can remember when I was new a couple of years ago and how impressed and grateful I was at the help and assistance I received) and was well mannered with all the language I used when addressing you. Now you are going to try just one of our trusted dealers and IYHO you doubt if they will be able to help you - and you base that HO on a membership of less than a day... Confused - Yes Rude - No...but I can be...but I wont need to because IMHO you will be booted out of here very soon...because our trusted dealers might not have the watch you're trying sell on your scam site...

Chris at Eurotimez has the Seatimer, Pasha, Roadster and Santos. Joshua at Perfect Clones has the Santos, Ballon, Pasha, Tank, La Dona, Roadster, Baignoire, Panthere, Libre, Dumont and Pantree. King has the Pasha, Tank, Santos, Divan, Roadster and Paris along with a selection of other Cartier. PT at Precious Time has the Roadster and Santos. Angus at Puretime has the Pasha, Roadster, Santos, Seatimer and Tank. Silix has Must, Panther, Pasha, Roadster, Santos, Tank and other Cartier to choose from. And Andrew at Trusty Time has a large selection, which includes Must (21 and de Cartier), Declaration, Pasha, Santos, Tank (A Vis, American, Francaise, Louis and Solo), Tankissime, Baignoire, Balon, Divan, Le Dona, Panthere, Roadster, Rotonde and Tortue. If none of them have the watch you are looking for, all these well trusted and long standing suppliers will source the exact model you require if you contact them - preferably with a pic or weblink for them to look at. If they cannot source the exact model you are looking for, it does not exist and, if an unknown supplier or site offers it to you, this is a clear indication that it is a scam and should be avoided. Hope this helps pappy97.

Please don't take offence there is nothing personal regarding my report of your post pappy97. We've had a lot of people coming here and their first post is just an advert to a scam site disguised as a question or topic for discussion. Welcome to RWG pappy97 and may I suggest you visit the trade section where you will find a number of trusted sellers who have the watches you are looking for or will be able to source it for you if it is not listed on their sites.

Reported to the mods

The Glock conspiracy stuff has been kinda killed off by a bloke claiming to be an F1 insider on the ITV F1 forum. He reckoned Glock's tyres were completely shot when he got back to the pits where he was watching the race from allegedly. He's a Hamilton fan so he might be making it up so I still reckon there's something dodgy about it.

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Glad I ordered mine within a couple of days of the Basle launch as there's now a two year waiting list - my first should arrive at the end of this year / beginning of 2009 and my second should be here around the middle of 2009. The first batch are currently commanding between

You wont remember me Ken but we exchanged communications some time ago and I've never forgotten what a kind, caring, generous and genuine person you are so it hurts me to learn of the dreadful pain both you and your family are enduring at this tragic and heartbreaking time. Everyone on your forum respects and cares about you and your loving family and I sincerely hope all the heartfelt and real messages you are receiving will give you even a small degree of comfort during this deeply distressing time. With all my thoughts, prayers and deepest sympathies Ken X

There's only one problem with this car By-Tor...where on earth are you going to get your hands on the first 'real' supercar that 'anyone' could buy from a local showroom. You would probably have an easier job finding some hen's teeth than you would finding one of these beauties lol. I'll give BMW some credit for inventing the performance production saloon with the M3 then the M5 back in the early 80's but Audi definitely broke the mould, started a phenomenon in the production car industry and took every single racing honour they went after with the original Quattro...a genuine supercar (much faster than the M's and even faster than most of the Ferrari's and Lambo's etc of the same generation) and a genuine classic if ever there was one. If you ever find a quality, looked after, clean and honest one you will have an appreciating asset that will be the envy of everyone...including me.

I agree with ubiquitous regarding the Phaeton and I did consider testing one but there just aren't any available with the 6.0 W12 here in the UK that 'tick the boxes' regarding mileage etc and (i know this is a bit embarrassing) it has the wrong badge and street presence / image I'm looking for - i.e. not necessarily a BMW, Mercedes or Porsche but a quality marque...so VW doesn't really cut it for me. Don't get me wrong, I would have bought the 'wrong' badge if the car was excellent and I would have bought a VW W12 in a heartbeat if I could find a clean and honest one to test and it was as good as all the reviews have claimed but I couldn't find one. The Mercedes, Porsche and BMW I tested didn't really come close to the A8 as far as driving, quality of finish and performance so it was a bit of a no brainer for me. With a 0-60mph time of 6 seconds and in normal (not sport) automatic mode performance of 100+mph in 3rd gear (it has six), 120+ in 4th and 140+ in 5th and it is still accelerating hard in every gear and at every speed, the A8 4.2 Quattro Sport is a very fast machine. I tried the Tiptronic using the flappy paddle steering wheel gear changer recently on a winding country road and it was the most exciting and scary experience I've ever experienced in any car as it was even faster than in 'normal' auto mode. The W12 is an incredible engine and it is available in the Bentley Continental GT, Flying Spur, Phaeton as well as the A8. It delivers a 0-60 time of 5 seconds (that's 15-20% faster than mine...eye wateringly awesome) and I've already spoken with my dealer regarding a test drive whenever they get one - however, they are a major dealer selling hundreds of new and used Audi's and they've only ever seen one W12 and that was in for a service only because the owner was in the area on holiday...so the chances of seeing one in the next couple of years or so is remote. I reckon it will be the same for the Phaeton because they have numerous different engine variations so the top of the range W12 version will probably as rare as the A8 example - at least here in the UK where prices are roughly double what they are in the USA - i.e. around $180k-$200k for an A8 W12 LWB fully loaded with options (standard list before options is around $160k). I'm not sure I fully agree with mil_sub if you get a clean, honest, low mileage and well cared for A8 with a full Audi service history because they are built to last and the 'gremlins' only appear with use so if it hasn't been used too much then the problems shouldn't be too severe. However, I fully agree with mil_sub if you get a car that has anything wrong with it - seriously major bills that could easily escalate to more than the value of the car will be inevitable so buying the very best you can afford and having it very thoroughly checked by someone who knows what they are looking at is essential...it might be difficult but walking away from something that isn't right will prevent a financial nightmare. @ ubiquitous - The problems you've been experiencing with your 3rd Audi must be very disappointing for you and I can easily understand why you would be considering a Lexus. However, can I suggest you maybe take a look at an A8 before taking the plunge because the German marque's flagship models are always made to a much higher standard than lower range models. I would never buy a Mercedes because I've known many people who have had nothing but problems with them but the S and CL are not made by the accountants because they are the marques 'headline' grabbing, range topping cars so they are made to 'bulletproof' standards. And it's almost the same with Lexus (not to same degree of reliability issues etc) because I've driven the IS and it was definitely built to a much lower standard than the LS's I've been in - it wasn't just the fact that it is obviously a much cheaper car to buy so it is clearly not of the same calibre...it was just 'normal' and quite gimmicky inside (a bit boy racer to be honest...apologies to anyone who has one) and didn't have the same fit and finish of an Audi. Many thanks for all the contributions - this topic has become an interesting read.

I'm UK based and had the older version (3.7 FWD Standard) you are considering before recently trading it in to upgrade for a new shape model (4.2 Quattro Sport). With the older shape version, there are a number of issues that you need to check in addition to the Tiptronic and I would definitely recommend a full mechanical check by someone familiar with the engines and gearbox because I had a couple of minor issues soon after I bought it that cost a significant amount to sort out so any major mechanical problems would be a huge cost in parts and labour. In particular, you will need to check the timing belt was changed by a franchised dealer at the correct interval (whichever came first - x miles or x years depending on model). Other things to look out for include wheel bearings (switch everything off and just listen for any rumbles from any corner of the car on straight roads, bends and when turning corners) and brakes (new discs and pads are expensive and the A8 goes through them quite quickly) but everything needs to be thoroughly checked (especially the engine management and onboard computers) to ensure you don't get hit with a big bill too soon. When you test drive the car, ensure that all the electrics work paying particular attention to the climate control. Some of the display LED's fail and the chilling units need to be serviced regularly or you will be driving in an oven - the control unit will blow hot air constantly (even in the height of summer) if the chiller unit isn't working properly because the climate control thinks it's blowing cold air then samples the cabin temperature before blowing even harder...except it's hot air so the cabin gets seriously hot seriously quickly. The sunroof is prone to just quitting on you after about ten years of use, the central locking should be smooth and silent (make sure it works with the key as well as this is also an expensive replacement cost) and so should all the electic seat adjustments. Just make sure you press every single button a few times and everything works silently and at a reasonable speed - e.g. all four windows should rise and fall at the same speed and definitely make sure there are no leaks in the double glazing - the double glazed windows are bonded near the top with a single strip of adhesive material that can perish and allow water to seep in. If you can find a good one that has a full Audi service history, low mileage, passes all the tests and hasn't had too many former owners (especially in recent years as this is a dead giveaway that the car has problems that may not be too apparent until you've had it for more than a couple of weeks) it is well worth buying and paying a decent price for because cared for A8's in top condition will last. However, the cheaper high mileage examples with non Audi or missing service history's that have mechanical niggles and electrical faults are much more normal because owners don't want to pay the high maintenance and / or repair costs that can often turn out to be more than the value of the car...the trade in price I received for my car didn't even cover the amount I spent on maintenance and repairs so the purchase price I paid was a 100% loss. At the moment, there are much fewer problems and potential problems with the new shape car (2003 onwards) but time will tell and the only real thing to look out for (apart from all the usual mileage and servicing issues) is the timing belt (whichever comes first - x miles or 5 years depending on model) which must be changed by Audi and the engine management software needs to be upgraded / updated during each service so that needs to be done by Audi as well. Regardless of which model you buy (pre or post 2003), bits and pieces are expensive though so make sure you get at least a set of new Audi mats (

Apparently, the DeepSea looks impressive in the flesh according to my local AD who saw it at Basel - but he would say that wouldn't he and he said all the pics he's seen of all the new Rolex don't do them justice. I ordered one but it wont be here until next year and my local AD refused to take my order for a Daytona coz he closed the book on that model a long time ago due to the worldwide shortage. However, I eventually found an AD a few hundred miles away who agreed to take my Daytona order so I ordered a DeepSea from them as well and they reckon I could have it by the end of the year (coz I'm only number three on their list)...but the Daytona will take around 4-5 years+ - I'll be keeping the first DeepSea that arrives and probably just give the second arrival to my dad. According to both AD's, the DeepSea wont be in the European AD's until September at the earliest and I know of at least half a dozen guys who are on waiting lists in various corners of the planet so we'll just have to wait and see who gets them first...and which countries Rolex gives priority to... I reckon the new DeepSea looks fantastic, especially at www.rolex.com where it is being showcased. The list of new features (including the slightly domed crystal, ceramic bezel, advanced bracelet and blue lume to name just a few) and design improvements (CG's, titanium etc) combine with seriously advanced engineering that allows exposure to such incredible pressures (not that anyone will ever get even remotely close to these depths of course) to produce a watch that might become a modern classic. And the price -

That is the exact model I tried to order this afternoon...but failed miserably. The current UK retail for the SS Daytona is just under