Nope I am not joking here. I do not know with the other guys. The way I look at it, the guy has way, way too much in his plate and does not have a system. I still feel that I will get my watch eventually (though I am not crossing my fingers anymore). I am not waiting for my watch from Joe anymore, like I said, if Iget it back great, if not, I am still having fun with my hobby with you guys.