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Yes, i do remember them, and each replaced fixes with flaws at at least a 1 for 1 ratio. Which is my only criticism of davidesen: I've never ever understood how he can put the effort into getting his exclusive products 90% right and absolutely refuse to take the remaining two and a half baby steps to get things right. It can only be intentional, but why, I wonder?

Got it for my B-day. Great book.

It all works together--The age, the clothes, the haircut, the shoes, the bearing, the attitude, all working on the subconcious probably. We've all found ourselves noticing a watch on someone and thinking, "I bet that's fake," w/o really evaluating the watch. Sometimes it's just obvious: My UPS guy wears a shitty "white gold" DD. @ nearly $35 an hour + overtime, a UPS guy can afford a Rolex, even a gold one, if he really wanted one, but this guy just doesn't cut it, not to mention the fact that nobody would wear a gold bracelet watch knowing they'd be arranging boxes in the back of a truck...unless of course it cost $50. I guess if you know someone the number of reps could come into play. People who know what I do would probably believe a collection of 5 highish end watches---but I wear a different "$8,000" one practically every day of the month. They have to know most of them are fake. But I'm an addict so I don't care! Bottom line, if you can't pull off plausibly owniong a gen, don't wear the rep. Otherwise, rep or gen everyone will think, "Fake." It all works together--The age, the clothes, the haircut, the shoes, the bearing, the attitude, all working on the subconcious probably. We've all found ourselves noticing a watch on someone and thinking, "I bet that's fake," w/o really evaluating the watch. Sometimes it's just obvious: My UPS guy wears a shitty "white gold" DD. @ nearly $35 an hour + overtime, a UPS guy can afford a Rolex, even a gold one, if he really wanted one, but this guy just doesn't cut it, not to mention the fact that nobody would wear a gold bracelet watch knowing they'd be arranging boxes in the back of a truck...unless of course it cost $50. I guess if you know someone the number of reps could come into play. People who know what I do would probably believe a collection of 5 highish end watches---but I wear a different "$8,000" one practically every day of the month. They have to know most of them are fake. But I'm an addict so I don't care! Bottom line, if you can't pull off plausibly owniong a gen, don't wear the rep. Otherwise, rep or gen everyone will think, "Fake."

I've been advised against separating out the PVD and bead blasting processes by a PVD shop. Apparently, the two work hand in hand to produce the right finish, and PVD shops may bead blast to fit their particular PVD process characteristics to achieve the look you want. Better to do it all in one place.ajoesmith, I believe you would have huge interest if your shop can duplicate the PAM PVD color/finish, which they probably can given the nice job they did on the B&R. I've been advised against separating out the PVD and bead blasting processes by a PVD shop. Apparently, the two work hand in hand to produce the right finish, and PVD shops may bead blast to fit their particular PVD process characteristics to achieve the look you want. Better to do it all in one place.ajoesmith, I believe you would have huge interest if your shop can duplicate the PAM PVD color/finish, which they probably can given the nice job they did on the B&R.

More likely that the obsession follows the offering of the factories, not the other way around. PAMs were the first super rep, which created a lot of fanatics around here. If there's a slowdown it's because of the lack of new offerings, not the other way around, IMO.

How sweet would it be to have a two-watch case with one of those beauties on the left and the reissue on the right?!! @corgi I kind of agree with your thinking on the Superocean--they're not groundbreaking & wouldn't even be that interesting if they just did a 40mm black and/or silver dial version like Rolex etc...what make's them attractive to me are the particular shades bronze and blue, both of which are unusual and interesting in dive watches (the pic is off--the bronze is unbelievably gorgeous in person and the blue is a nice steel blue like panerai uses on the 120, 082, etc) the size (46mm, I think), and their complete and total reppability.

I don't spend a lot of time worring about rep's effects on luxury goods makers, since their bottom line is undoubtedly influenced more by the advertising rates than high-end fakes, but my guess is that since most luxury items are bought with disposable income, 99% of their customers don't even consider buying reps, they just go to the store and shell out down the money. When you subtract the percentage of rep buyers who can't or won't buy gens for any reason, you're not left with a significant number of people who would buy gens if reps didn't exist. To the extent reps have any impact at all, I'd say they're good for consumers of gen watches since they might help keep prices down and they definitely have forced gen makers to make their watches better finished, more complicated, and constructed of more interesting materials (At least those are the results of the efforts to thwart counterfeiting so far, at least). I don't think there's any reason for any gen collectors to be anti-rep==they should be anti-scam. Anyway, which is easier? Stopping a multi gazillion dollar business in a country obsessed with emplyment rates and productivity, or urging ebay, timezone, etc crack down on assholes selling reps as gen?

Ahh, those were the days...the days before sex. Thank God morals that never existed can't become obsolete, so the OP or anyone else familair with the history of the world doesn't have to worry about anything but the current dilemma, which is to say the oldest dilemma there is: how he's going to get into chickiepoo's pants. My approach would be to pick up the phone, just like all those wholesome folks back in 1959 would have done.

I'm w/ chieftang. I've never seen green lume on an SD except for maybe the pearl on a vintage.

Excellent job lello! ajoesmith: I had hang-up problems w/ 3 of 5 aftermarket DW/overlay installs (Mark's 2893, lello 2893, and Watchmeisters overlay) that required fine adjustment of both gear that advances the DW as well as the spring at 8:00 (sorry, cant remember the parts names). I know he slightly bent the spring so that the part that comes in contact between the teeth sat higher but I don't know what he did to the gear.

E. They can be president someday!* *Fathers must have appointed at least two(2) United States Supreme Court Justices. Decorated veterans not eligible during time of war. Offer not valid in Florida or Ohio.

Scored Breitling an Blacpain catalogs @ the AD today. I'll take the Breitling in Bronze and the Blancpain in black, please...and if ythey can only do one, just the blancpain would be fine since the gen to super-rep price ratio would be ten to one instead of 3 to one.

I feel your pain, guys. Not to pump up the already inflated egos of Old Europe but what is it about the difficulty of companies based in english speaking countries to do a headache-free job helping us to improve our fake watches? I've been though nightmares trying to get DW overlays printed and cut in the US, and lot's of us were on the recieving end of Mark's UK printshop's screw job. There's red tinted AR and blue tinted PVD...then of course the watchmen cyclopses....sheesh!

I'm fairly certain I bought the last available 28 from a dealer about a month and a half ago. But in any case, if you bought yours after the initial 2005 run, I'd check the movement if you're worried about the decoration--there is no guarantee you got a decorated 2892 if you bought them after the initial release. After to the initial "honpo" run many pieces were made by the factory w/ identical parts except for the decorated 2892. This is no biggie, of course, since the watch has a solid back, but I believe there are many folks who think they have the gorgeous "officne" ticking away inside their 29's/63's/27's/28's and who are in for a surprise if they ever open their casebacks. My 28's 2892 is undecorated (I knew this in advance)and I know 2 forum members who have 29's w/ undacorated movements (who didn't know in advance).

I had mine--a not-too-intersting or skillfully apllied black panther on my left rear shoulder removed a few years ago, since it's it's significace was known only to the drunken 21 yr old marine that got it...and he forgot what it was by the next morning. I'm all for tatoos, especially if they mean something to the person wearing them, although like a buddy of mine told a stripper:..."I'd love to be in the room when your great-grandkid asks, "'Grammy, why do you have a picture of barbed wire wrapped around your arm?'"

We're just trying to help, since I think davidsen would himself admit that he doesn't exactly have a track record of getting dials 100% right. People are using the pics to make sure he understands what's wrong w/ the versions he's posted in this thread so far, not to provide him w/ pics he might not already have. In any event, I'm sure no insult is intended or taken--we're just trying to make it so that this time he doesn't have to go through several versions to fix errors as has happened many times in the past.

Yet more proof of the truth of the #1 rep truism: believability is 90% plausibility and 10% accuracy. If you or i had posted pics of an absolutely bad rep like that one, they'd have run us out on a rail. Since a respected member of their community posted them, they're assuming it's gen. Same thing goes with wearing reps--if you look like you can plausibly wear a gen version of your rep you don't have to sweat the details. If you couldn't plausibly wear a gen, even if it is gen, everyone will assume it's fake.

The 89 is my All Time Fav PAM, and I'd love to build one w/ an ETA movement. Rolli, can you suggest a place to source a 7754?

Thanks to Rolli's pics of his smith's exceelnt work, I'm thinking Davidsen's 232 is going to be my next rep purchase, akthough is it me or does TT's case look a little bit better finished/engraved. I like the 232 because it'd be more believable on me than a rep of a 70k 1936 vintage, because the solid back is a good thing, and because it looks like someone finally got the dial color right. Looks like it only needs a lume an OEM strap and the lugs mod to be perect on the wrist.

I was just down there today...took the kids to the battlefield and FunLand, and of course stopped at Allman's on the way home.

If they can do a ceramic case, why can't the chinese?

In other words he posted pics of the old, great SMP which he knows can't be found any more. Bet most people don't even catch the diff.

I'm w/ BT. They ought to do a 42mm UPO....but they won't. What happened was they got the 42mm to a half-decent 4th gen, then put out the 45mm UPO which that's what everybody bought because of it's accuracy and because of course big men need big 45mm watches or whatever the thinking is. The down side is that there's no financial incentive for them to doa 42mm UPO.

If the goal is to find the guy, you just say "watch" in your filing, get his info, and drop the suit.

If it's an overlay there is a fairly easy way to solve this problem.