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Yuki caseback is one of the worst 5514 Caseback

it looks gen, beautiful one ! 

IMO that is just completely stupid, why don't you wear the watch everyday and you will have few desk diving marks.

Scratching a genuine insert is completely stupid.. That's my 2 cents.

Anyway to each his own.

Looks good

The HR 5517 Milsub dial and hands looks great but the case and thus insert are terrible mate ..

+1

The old MBW bracelets were pretty good (if you can still find one) and Yuki's is probably the best option now IMO. I considered myself quite lucky to find an MBW for my 5514.

Lol you guys don't read huh ?

Rolex!  Ha, just messing witchya   The cartels are stamped 93250 but are a decent option. At least they were a while back.

The cartel has 93250 stamping only on the clasp. But now they make 93150 stamping with correct size on the link of the bracelet like on the picture above. Before that the link were sterile.

Yuki one is stamped with 93250.

The cartel links are still today the best option, 93150 stamping, hollow mid link, brushed sides and can accept gen spring bars. If you add a Yuki 93250 clasp and WSO 580 end links you have a great bracelet

short answer. NO.

Cartel make them now, they improved their vintage cases and especially the crown guards + they are stamping now their bracelet with 93150 !

Do they sell just the bracelet? How much does it cost?

I don't think Josh will sell it alone but you have to contact him .

Here is a picture of my cartel 93150 :

cartel is the best ! just bought one, it is on its way to me, i will send you pics if you wish plus it fit gen springs bars you have to replace the end link by the wuso 580 end links + add a yuki or tc 92150 clasp and you have a great looking bracelet 

image-cacher

http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/message/1449020632/Counterfeit+93250+Bracelet+-+Images

it looks like a tc bracelet 

Riyi !

ERRATUM: Trevor 5513 doesn't even accept a gen like bezel assembly because the crystal is directly retained by the case and the bezel is specifically made for the case: 

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this has been modded by the way, i drilled the lugs installed an athaya 702 crown and tube + re engraved the serial number and ref number and beveled the lugs

I have an entire bezel assembly from Rolex less the retaining ring. I don't think buying another entire assembly is going to fix the issue. Gen retaining rings should all have the same measurements it just doesn't make sense to have them made by Rolex which won't fit their bezels.

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First you have to note that the 5513 has been the longest submariner in production, and they were a lot of variation, bezel teeth, in case shape, dial, print, Crystal crown and tube and so on, so of course all the retaining ring doesn't have the same size, as I said I had gen sealed parts and didn't fit together. This is why rolex recommend to install them themselves at their RSC because they got tools and can install the need retaining ring.

If you have the money you can buy 2/3 gen retaining ring and try which one fits, easy to find on eBay or Chronoshop(but expensive there) this is why a complete bezel assembly avoid fitting hassle.

Hi mate as I told you I had the same issue with my 5514 builds.

I bought a genuine service retaining ring from Alberto and a genuine service bezel assembly and when I unpacked them they didn't fit together, so there is a lot of diameter variation on a genuine 5513 retaining ring, so it is a hit or miss.

The best thing to do is to find the whole bezel assembly together it can be very expensive for a gen (around 1k ) but avoid the hassle

I am really confused as to whether this is the JoshCartel 5513 or not.

 

Anyone know from the photos?  I just need to be sure because I want to order a 26mm tudor dial for the case.

How are dials measured because to me it seems closer to 29mm .

That is indeed a Josh cartel 5513 (I had dozens of it lol for builds also )

That is indeed a Josh cartel 5513 (I had dozens of it lol for builds also )

As HH said,

I suggest you to catch a 702 Athaya crown and tube,

A better tropic 19 with lower some like a service tropic 19 style.

Lugs drilled to fit 2mm spring bars and WSO 580.

A Better bezel assembly with a gen insert (service insert they are not expensive compared to the fat font etc...)

A better dial,

The bracelet is IMO already very good but the clasp has an ugly coronet logo so a yuki 93250 clasp or a TC 93250 clasp will do the job if you don't want to spend a lot of dollars on a gen bracelet,

An ETA 2846 low beat + gen service tudor hands or TC hands (because of the big Mercedes circle hand !)?

Ah thank you.

 

I have much to learn.  Luckily, I'm a very fast learner and somewhat mechanical.

 

May I ask you then, how can I adjust the tension?   It's way too loose.  It has almost no friction.

Could you please show me a pic of your 5513 I will confirm you the maker so the bezel construction, because lately I saw a lot of 5513 that has a mon gen like construction with an octogonal spring retaining the bezel to the case and indeed the bezel turns freely with no friction at all and this is impossible to solve that way.

But in the case that yours is really a cartel 5513. Then you can put a knife besides the bezel and turn it until you pop off the bezel, then you will have to bend the washer/tension ring which is probably to fat and this explain the fact it rotates freely from the inside to the outside of the washer/tension ring

Hi Rick,

The cartel 5513 bezel construction had indeed a similar bezel construction of the gen .

Midcase + Crystal with a retaining ring keeping the crystal on the case.

Then a washer/tension ring comes above the retaining ring and will retain the bezel to the retaining ring. Then you have the insert laying out on the bezel.

So the bezel assembly has 4 components:

Retaining ring

Washer/tension ring

Bezel

And insert

The bezel turns bi directionally with friction, no clicks.

Here is one of my gen specs bezel assembly (not cartel!!) + genuine inset .

 

 

im not increasing my postcount you idiot im welcoming our new members which i done many times before like i Got when i Joined i just been busy so was getting up to date and why should i increase my postcount when im a senior member with already alot of post ? Wise guy ??? 

 

Got a problem ?? 

Shoot a admin a pm and complain your heart contents out jeez...

With your attitude you just reveal who you are

I won't loose my time with you.

Rwg welcome 

   Hey mate welcome to RWG  

 Hope you will enjoy your stay here!"

And join in on the fun with us 

You might wanna read this before you  start if you havent already  

 

https://rwg.cc/forum/163-introductionrulessupport

Before you know it you Got the rep bug and some great fellow minded guys ready to help out here 

Best regards Simon (Ezio ) 

Can you please stop posting for increasing your post account you are making my notifications full

Bienvenue à toi Andy en espérant lire tes posts prochainement !

The Trevor 5513/1680 doesn't have a gen specs construction they are retained by an octagonal spring, so there is nothing you can do to stop it from moving freely the only way is to remove it and install a gen specs bezel assembly with a washer/tension ring.

Plus Trevor 5513/1680 bezel doesn't accept genuine insert or a gen specs insert, as the diameter of the bezel is way too large.

I hope this helps !

Fake dial

IMO the Whoopy MK2 DRSD dial is the best aftermarket one.

Good luck with your build !

Its his daughters ebay store

cheers

+1

Great job J.

i saw a 3135 clone movement. maybe the factories will make a 4130? did someone know something?

I think we can dream for that lol the Asian clone 3135 isn't even reliable enough and I don't think they are able to rep such a complicated a movement and they have no interest in doing it because they already sell a lot of watches rep or not with valjoux