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Same. Thanks tabularasa415, nice one.

Looks Fake ie(Replica) Especially the grooves on the edge of the bezel. (I'm no expert though)

I believe in terms of the Gen that new pin only comes with a gen replacement clasp.

I've read about putting in your pocket with a hand full of loose change and walk around with it for a few days.

Looks like this pic was made for this thread.

I live in a small town where pretty much nobody knows watches. I wear my SS Sub often and it goes unnoticed. I spoke in front of a room full of people tonight; nobody noticed what I was wearing. Ive had one person recognise my Rolex in the last year and make a comment about it. (Which was a nice one because he liked watches and was wearing a Tudor Oyster Prince) About three months ago a lady at a chemist saw my watch and said to me Gee I like your watch. That is a really nice looking watch for a man. When I gave her a look at it she noticed the small Rolex printed on the dial and only then did she realise what brand it was. I like my Sub for that very reason. It's a simple, clean and quite masculine design It is most certianly not a flashy or showy piece. Some watch enthusiasts cant see the forest for the trees.

That's a work of Art jmb. Respect.

Ha! Pick that. Looks great BrianSW510. Enjoy your hard work.

From my experience with the RSC, they don't seem to be interested in aged hands because they have a policy that says replace old hand before they flake into the works. Same with bracelets. Rolex Sydney told me they would refinish my 1995 Sub clasp this time, but next time they won't. They went on to explain that another refinish would compromise the domed head of one of the key clasp pins to a point, that they are not confident it would continue to insure the integrity of the clasp. They allowed me to keep my tritium dial, hands, bezel, insert and clasp, to satisfy my desire to keep the watch all original. But boy, the guy fairly checked it out with his loupe before he made that decision.

Nice one JoJo, I like a good honest "Buy it Now".

MacGyver would be proud sneed12.

My bad, just going from memory I thought they lost the lug holes just after 2000. Happy to be wrong about that. On a different note though, I don't really agree with the comments on the resale value down the track. While these Subs are not rare, at the rate Rolex prices move they are not going to be investment flops either. I don't see my Sub racking in money, but I am seeing it's secondhand resale figure steadily rising to reflect the new prices. In 1980 the new price for a 16610 was about $1000, $2500 in 1990, over 3000 by the mid 90's, $4500 by 2005 and $6000 in 2008. One could argue that the new bigger Sub might kill the old sub market. But since the old Sub is such a global classic, the opposite might be true.

Obviously I'm passionate about the Rolex Submariner, but I do acknowledge the points about finacial priority and I think they are well made. And while we are on that note I would also affirm there is always another Sub coming along. However if you were going to make a decision about those two Subs I would say the biggest issue would be about the lume. The older one will be tritium and while with effort, it still could be read at o'Dark-thirty, it's not a practical lume anymore. Do you want the charming lug holes and very weak lume of the older Sub? Or would you be happier with the superlume on the 2003? Also the Rolex Service Centre will want to swap out the Dial, Bezel Insert and hands when you service the older one. I had to sit down with the Sydney Rolex Guy and explain to him how I did not want them to ruin my all original tritium Sub byy making it into something that it isn't with a new dial etc. To their credit they did understand. Would I swap my 1995 'W' Serial Sub for one from 2003 with superlume? Well I might, but I do like the lug holes (as do many) and would have to think about it.

Hey Submariner400, I purchased a Gen Sub (date) under very similar circumstances as you. One came up at a good price, with full box and papers and I had to make a decision. I went ahead and got my Sub and here is what I learned. I learned that the longer you wait, the more your Sub is going to cost. I spent $3100us two years ago. If I tried to buy a full set now at that price, I probably would not be able to find one. I also learned that because Rolex puts their prices up every year. So I'm actually making money with my Sub. And that is a good feeling. Having the Sub gives me a good sense of security in terms of cash in some kind of dire emergency. I know at any tick of the clock I could go on eBay and sell this watch for more than what I paid for it. Now a negative. If that Sub is a 2003, by now it should have the oil refreshed in the works. So if your buy this Sub, at some stage in the future you really should get it serviced. If you have it done by Rolex it will be a significant expense. You could however have it done by a competent watch maker and save a lot of money. Then again, having the service done by Rolex can, to a small degree, enhances its resale value. Now having said this, the Sub I bought had never been serviced. When I took it to Rolex it was the first service it had had in 12 years and it was fine actually. And all things considered, mechanical watches need to be serviced; that's just part of owning one. I love wearing my Sub. Where I come from (small city) nobody really notices it for what it is, but I know what it is. The Rolex Sub is really a genesis design and you can see the influence it has had on many different sports watches. From the hands to the dial markers to the bezel, you can see the spirit of a submariner almost anywhere you care to start looking at what other people are wearing on their wrists. The very few times I