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With 6.5" wrist size, I was thinking I never like DSSD...looks too big, too heavy, too clumsy...those are the thoughts when I never see a real one.
It was about 9 months ago, there was a local boy selling his BK DSSD V6 at an incredible good price. I told myself, let's try it on. If I don't like it, I can always sell it at the same price because it is a great price to start with...so I bought my first ever DSSD.
Since then, I started to love DSSD. I feels great on my 6.5" wrist. Never feel it's too big. Also I got used to the weight of wearing an AP ROO with bracelet, this DSSD does not feel too heavy to me. The love just keep growing in me. Then I was thinking...I need a franken DSSD. I want to make it perfect. Fast-forward to another 3 months, I encountered a franken BK DSSD from @Heisenburg here, with gen insert, PBDAD's matte processed and relumed dial. I snapped it right away. I also learn a lot from Heisenburg about different versions of the dial...about the difference on the gen and rep bezel...He is truely a great member here!
After I spent a bit time with this DSSD, I found that the relumed job on the dial is not 100% perfect. It can only be seen if I take close up photo and mag x10 to see that. Normal eyes are not easy to impossible to see within a foot, not even talking about 5 feet away...And after I read lots of gen and rep forums, the gen DSSD dials seem to be "satin" instead of "matt" finished. I am an anal-perfectionist in this aspect...I want to make it perfect. So I sold this franken and started to think of building a franken starting from scratch.
So I went out looking for gen parts...lucky enough, I met another good member (now a good friend) @sacsha1 from the sister forum for some gen parts (gen insert/bezel/spring-click-ball-bearing, dials).
At the same time, after I learnt that there are different versions of the dial, I couldn't stop myself to get each one of them.
With everything's ready...it was the time to send everything to the modder to assemble everything together, also let's do some more modding like darken the OGEV text, brush the braclet, single AR the crystal...
and it was the beginning of the nightmare...
The modder was great, promising and responsive to start with, and estimated the work would take around 2 weeks...made sense and sounded good to me! So I paid and went ahead to send all parts to him. At the same time, I ordered a BK DSSD 2015 version and send directly to him as well. It took about 1.5 weeks to finally have the watch arrived to the modder. And he also confirmed that all parts has arrived and will start the work, also send the crystal to his lab for the single AR.Then I waited for a week...no update from him. Which is ok because he said it would take 2 weeks. But I sent him an email anyway to see the progress. No reply in 6 days, then he said no news from his lab.
Waited another a week, asked again...no reply in another 7 days, then an email came back said no news from the lab.
Back and forth for 2 months...finally got the crystal back...but modder said AR was not done right. Returned to the lab and redo...
Email back and forth and waited another month. Crystal was done right. Then modder said will finish the work by the weekend.
After the weekend, an email came back saying 2015 DSSD case cannot fit gen bezel and the size is too big.
Then I happened to see another 2014 BK DSSD on m2m, so I snapped it right away and sent it to the modder to put the gen dial and bezel on it. Modder came back in a week saying that the already AR'ed crystal on 2015 DSSD does not fit with the 2014 DSSD case. Asked me do I want to send the 2014 crystal to his lab to AR. I didn't want to wait another 2 months so I said no. I know rep game is a waiting game...but I nearly spent $3k and still never see anything except the pic from the seller. I needed to see and touch a DSSD badly...like NOW!!
Fast-forward to all the chasing email and frustrated super non-responsive breif emails...
Finally...the franken DSSD arrived, and I love it! It's so great to look at...the dial...the bezel...
But wait a minute...my buddy sacsha1 told me that the gen DSSD has a tiny sunken HEV, and the razar sharp edge center link SEL...which the noob DSSDs aren't still up to the gen spec at the moment.
And I really blame on sacsha1...one day I randomly walked in the AD after lunch, asked for whether they have black dial daytona (sold out everywhere all the time), they routinely said NO...then I asked...what about Deepsea BLUE? I never have any love on the d-blue, only dssd black. But I know it's rare from the AD. They only have one or two to sell in a year. Suprisingly, the guy from the AD said..."I might have one". Then he went to the back and took out one. It was still in the small transparent plastic box (not the big green rolex box). He took it out to me, and I immediately put it on my wrist...oh...that moment...my love to d-blue exploded. I resisted to take it off. And I took out my wallet...
This blue/black gradient dial just grows in me everyday. I love it so much. I look at it all the time under different lighting and see how it changes...
It was very difficult to catch that bad boy LEC from the gen crystal...with my presbyopia eyes...took me 5 minutes to look for it.
So now, I have a few dssd and dials to play with...a 2015 BK DSSD with AR'ed crystal, modded OGEV (top center without bracelet)
a 2014 franken BK DSSD with gen mk1 dial, gen bezel, modded OGEV (top right)
a gen d-blue (top left)
a gen black mk2 dial (lower left)
a gen black mk3 dial (lower center)
a rep black mk1 dial (lower right)I think other members have done lots of comparisons on the DSSD...but I am doing a few as well on some particular areas
Let's look at the OGEV...
Gen d-blue:
2015 BK DSSD:
2014 fraken BK DSSD:
Conclusion: the noob version OGEV are pretty much flat level with the case. But if you are not 1 foot away looking at it, you won't be able to see.
Next, let's see the bezel height...
Gen: it has a tiny gap between bezel and case...I would say less than 0.5mm. Also SEL center link edges are sharp
2015 BK DSSD: pretty close to the gen with tiny gap
2014 franken BK DSSD: I think the modder did not do a good job assembling the gen bezel on this so it leaves a rather bigger gap here. Also the SEL center link edges are rounded.
Conclusion: The out-of-the-box noob DSSD are pretty good on the bezel. Very gen like. I would say the gen bezel feels a tiny bit sharper on the teeth. One note that the gen bezel with gen ball-bearing spring turns very softly and feels great. While the rep noob bezel turns relatively tighter. But who cares? I don't turn the bezel everyday. I will later install the original 2014 bezel back to the 2014 case to minimize the gap on the franken.
Last but not least, let's look at the black dials...I want to show the difference under the light. It's definitely not matte in anyway.
Gen mk2 dial: Satin under light...still glossy tho
Gen mk3 dial: (at the left)
Noob Rep mk1 dial:
Conclusion: The Noob mk1 dial is glossy, without the satin light reflection under light. But again it is very very hard to see under the crystal. Also the prints on the mk1 dial are definitely embossed onto the dial. Not just flat print on it. Very gen like!!!
One more thing...the Crystal...the gen crystal is very very clear! Since I have done a single AR on the 2015 BK DSSD, it is definitely more clear than the stock noob crystal on the franken 2014 DSSD with gen dial. The AR makes the crystal to look amazingly clear and very close to the gen's clarity on my d-blue. If anyone has a chance to do the AR, it's no brainer for a simple upgrade!
This is my journey so far within 9 months. Thanks for reading and hope you are not too bored...
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Thanks! The d-blue is very rare here in Canada. I was surprise the AD has it when I randomly walked into one and asked for it. Put it on my wrist and I couldn't resist to take it off...I know I was not thinking straight when looking at the gradient blue/black dial.
Since I already have a few gen dssd black dials sitting around, I was thinking maybe I could get a d-blue, and when I get bored on this blue dial, I could change to a black one for some fresh feeling...
I also have a franken bk dssd, and a 2015 bk dssd...there are totally 4 black dssd slip thru my hands not including this gen...
This is another gradient blue/black look under the daylight...
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Walked into an AD with no expectation..as I know they only have one or two quota for the whole year...i guess i m lucky on the Friday the 13th!
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My congrats come a bit too late and hopefully your excitment is still here...anyway I still have to say it...CONGRATS BRO!! It's a beauty! Worth every penny with this great watch. Envy envy!! Now I want one too.
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Excellent job and congratulation P!!
Now can I send my franken DSSD to you for further modding/machining? :-)
Also Sacsah1 is the guy to go with the gen parts! He's the best!
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Congrats on this pretty one! Great build.
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I am still in the process of perfecting the cyclop, mainly for clarity and achieving a flat, even magnification across all dates..
Yes when it is perfected to my satisfaction, I would be delighted to share it with fellow members for a nominal fee...
This is one of my biggest anticipation for my franken project. The cyclop is always the missing link for most of the frankens out there.
Appreciate Legend's "stubbornness" to make it perfect! :-)
Patiently waiting for your good news.
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If you want a gen deep blue be prepared to pay up to 6K last one went for $4200...
At the moment the ltd of the model means that parts prices are very high.... but I think like the gen Milguass that will start to drop in next 18 months....
But at the moment even if your buying a gen blue dial to swap with your gen black dial then it makes no sense to buy one... better off selling your DSSD and using the cash from that with the money you would spend on the blue dial to buy a gen blue then buy a gen DSSD dial... much cheaper option...
Remember the rep dial is supposed to be a MK I as is the case as the current DSSDs have a different case set to the early DSSDs
Thanks for doing the comparison Pete. I bought all 3 versions of the black dials as well and was going to do that later when I received them all. Now I can just refer to your post. :-)
DBlue is a super hot item and out of stock in most of the AD. In Canada here our ADs only get one every couple months...
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We can mod the watch to hell and back, and make it look darned good on the wrist, and perhaps visually 99% or even 100% gen like. But a rep will always be a rep, and a gen would be a gen. But we already know that, and that is what this hobby is about, making our reps as satisfactory according to our tastes as possible, and yet not crossing the mental boundary of forgetting it for what it is. The pursuit and attainment of that last 1%, or 0.1% of accuracy can only be achieved by going genuine. If anyone cannot be happy with 99%, then this hobby is not for them. I am happy with a rep if the flaws do not irk me each time I look at it. So give me a 100% frontal accurate franken with a mickey mouse engraved caseback and I would be happy with it. And no, I would not be taking it out for my friends to discuss the oddity of a Disney character depiction on my "luxury end high watch".
So to each their own. As long as you are happy with the watch, and am able to wear it proudly and with satisfaction, the opinions of your neighbors and peers need not apply.
200% agree!!!
This is very nice! Absolutely classic!! Congrats Al.
I have a franken coming in as well. It has the rep hands and I am getting the mikey hands. Interested in learning about the cyclop mod...
BTW, GTR is my dream car! But man at my age with kids in my family, I am driving an SUV...
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Master Domi really putting the Panda over the top! Look at all the fine details on the bezel and the case. Congrats on having a very nice time piece!
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Hey Jordanf1, nice to meet you!
It's great to know the origination of this strap. I really love it. Thanks for putting it available in the market in the first place so it ends up on my wrist. I am enjoying it everyday in this summer!
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Thanks! The strap really looks great especially in the summer!
Even my wife loves it in favor of the bracelet on Panda. Definitely a keeper!
Couple more eye candy of the strap...
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Typically oem AP strap has metal inserts. Can the seller show you one with a side view? or close up to the inserts?
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Congrats APNoobster! It's a great looking watch. I just ordered the same one for my first AP as well. Awaiting shipment...impatiently...haha
How long was the mod process from beginning to the end from Vac? I want to do the same too. But since this is going to be my first AP, I am not sure I want to part with it for so long to mod (service/AR/etc) it...
BTW this double-coloured stitches white strap looks great on Panda! I was thinking exactly the same style...but won't be able to afford a gen one of coz...
I can't stop scrolling up to look at your pictures...still drooling...
A preview before the actual thread: genstein AP ROO safari
in The Audemars Piguet Area
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Congrats Al!!!
Ummm...what component can be rep in this watch? Oh...I know i know...what about the lugs? or screws? Are they all gen as well? lol :-)