infinitime

Congrats on a good purchase! Looks good!

That would look really good on a black strap!

My past experiences with the Asian 7750 (new version) is that it is very reliable. In both the Navitimer and Omega SMP chrono examples, they have been extremely accurate and reliable. Accordingly, I would not want to spend an extra $400 for a Swiss unit.

I too am in the market for a EVO chrono, but am currently undecided as to whether I want a black one with the baton markers, or the one with the arabic numerals. The former looks more classy, but too often the batons are not aligned exactly right. The arabic numerals would be unique, but it doesn't glow in the dark. Does anyone have pictures of a black faced version with arabic numerals?

I agree with Chronus that the costs of modding this are a lot unless you can do it all yourself. As a PAM fanatic I have been wearing my SMP for the last few days. I have already re-lumed it and have an ETA datewheel for it but not going to rush into replacing the movt as the asian 7750 so far is performing very well. No transfer gears putting a strain on it and it is keeping very accurate time. I like it a lot!!

On a related note, I had the new Navitimer clone (which I just sold this week), with the added gearing for the 3-6-9 configuration... I didn't find the added gearing to be particularly straining on the base movement.

I agree with Chronus that the costs of modding this are a lot unless you can do it all yourself. As a PAM fanatic I have been wearing my SMP for the last few days. I have already re-lumed it and have an ETA datewheel for it but not going to rush into replacing the movt as the asian 7750 so far is performing very well. No transfer gears putting a strain on it and it is keeping very accurate time. I like it a lot!!

Hi Finepics,

Can you tell me where you were able to source an ETA datewheel for the Asian 7750? Are the two datewheels interechangeable without any other modifications?

I think you are referring to a different watch. The model I was inquiring about is the Seamaster Chronograph 300M, NOT the Planet Ocean...

Dear All:

As I know; there are only 2 versions of PO chrono: 1.) Asian 7750 2.) Japan Quartz. Except Japan Quartz version price below USD$200. Seems most price from varies-dealer shouldn't have too large different.

I almost got one for myself b4; but I found a MAJOR not MINOR flaw on PO chrono & stop me immediately. The chrono at 9:00 & 3:00 are too small compare with gen. After I discuss with my local dealer; they said that it can't be fix due to 7750 movement size. If PO chrono on your MUST HAVE LIST; the only way u should go for Japan Quartz version. B`cause it got a better size arrangement (Better!! Not same as Gen still a little be smaller). Also; the date-wheel colour are wrong too (Gen one should be black base+white fonts!!). But some dealer already fix this minor colour flaw already.

Hope this could help!

BR,

Raymond

THe case would fool most dealers(the back may not but I bet a few will not notice the presicion is not quite 100%) but the bracelet lets it down. The pushers do not screw on the real one as said.

I have just fitted a genuine 7750 movement and the dial fitted perfectly so the date font is now perfect too. Just waiting for a set of hands from Ofrei and a OEM AR crystal to complete then pics will follow.

I already have an OEM bracelet and I will wear this watch as an everyday beater that should be reliable.

Glad to see that someone is already doing modifications on this new model... Quick question about the hands, why does it need to be replaced? It looks almost exactly the same as the genuine ones from pictures?

Is there more than one version of the “new” Omega Seamaster Pro chronograph? I am referring to the blue-dialed version with the new Asian 7750 movement, with the subdials at the 6-9-12 configuration.

The reason I ask is that while all the pictures I’ve seen from various dealer appear to be of the same watch, there is a wide disparity in the price, ranging from $239 all the way up to $350? As far as I can tell, the quality appears to be all the same, or am I missing something when I look at the different pictures. In fact, the only “flaw” I could see is that with some of the earlier samples, the bezel is not properly aligned. Otherwise, the dials, movement, case, bracelet all appear to be identical, all having screws instead of pins in the bracelet…

On a related note, can anyone spot any more flaws with this model, when compared to the genuine article? After staring at pictures of the genuine article and visiting an AD this afternoon, I can’t really see any difference between the rep and the genuine. No flaws on the dial or case, or in the placement of the buttons as far as I can tell. In fact, the only flaws appear to be a mis-aligned bezel and a pearl which is slightly too large for the 12 o'clock triangle.

I have just noticed that there are two different types of chrono pushers on the TAG HEUER link models... depending if you get the brushed bezel or the polished bezel, the chrono pusher buttons are either oval or angular??? From pictures of the genuine article, it appears that all gens have the angular shaped pushers only, why would a rep manufacturer CREATE an entirely different pusher shape?

The following pictures of the two variants are borrowed from Paul's website, but all the ones I've seen seem to fall into these two variants, depending on whether it has a brushed or polished bezel...

i belive that china can make a better movement than ETA if they wanted too !

I don't know if it is better overall, but SEAGULL already makes a ETA2824 clone, which is better finished and uses interchangeable parts with the ETA version. It is labelled at the Seagull ST-18 . The ST-19 is a perfect clone of a 1960s manual wind chronogph made in Switzerland by Venus, the Venus-175, which was used extensively in many chronographs of that era.

By voluntarily removing themselves from the market, the Swiss are creating a vacuum for the entry of Chinese producers, who will undoubtedly take up a larger percentage of the market.

I don't want to be the naysayer on this one, but I too was very enthusiastic about these new IWC models when they first came out... however, after examining pictures of the original, it appears that there are two telling flaws which clearly set them apart from the genuine article. Firstly, the spacing of the text near the day/date window is noticeably different from the original... Secondly, the "day" window displaying day of the week is often crooked, and not properly centered in the window. While these deficiencies are not likely to be noticeable the casual observer, it bugs me that the first flaw could have been avoided, if the manufacturer took a little bit more care in copying the dials. In this regard, I think both the Seamaster chrono and the Tag Heuer Link chrono are much closer to the real thing....

Just my two cents...

River had these. Contact him, he'll have them. I ordered some a few days ago.

Thanks!

I distinctly remember one of our sellers selling a rather ingenious product - thick springbars for both the Panerai 24mm and 26mm lugs (for the 44mm and 47mm models respectively). These springbars were unique in that they had a etched bar down the centre on either end, and were machined to the same size sa the original screws on the Panerai models. When installed, they actually look like the screws.

Unfortunately, I can't seem to find the original posting anymore, despite searching high and low on this forum. Would anyone know of a source for these?

Thanks in advance!

I used watchbandrenew which has diff grid no. papers, from 30 microns, to 15, 9, 3, 2, 1. I used 9, then 3, 2, 1 but I can't regain the mirror finish, high gloss, but not quite mirror as original. It's a base luminor rep. Any suggestion, cape cod, dremell? BTW watchbandrenew, $10 for base kit, (at watchbandrenew@yahoo.com) is great for satin brushed polishing. I used for my sub rep. Use 30 micron for deeper scratches (can't handle real deep scratches though), finish off with 15 micron. Perfect.

I've put several deepish scratches on the back of my Navitimer-clone, which had an original mirror-like polished finish. I was able to buff it out using a Dremel rotary tool, with the felt polishing disc and a dab of 421 polishing compound. It takes time, and you should be careful as to not OVER-polish, which take off too much metal...

Unfortunately impossible. The datewheel is sunken because most of it is lying under the plate and transfer wheels.

I am actively avoiding all watches that do not use the 7750 in its correct configuration (ie. 12, 6 and 9 subregisters). If everyone else does the same then the factories will have to abandon these bastard movements and build a proper 7753 rep instead.

It is a shame you didn't opt for the Navitimer with the 7750 configuration used correctly - it would be a more accurate and reliable rep and you wouldn't be getting bugged by the datewheel.

Thanks for your input! I didn't realize the transfer wheels were actually over the date wheel. In hindsight, I agree with you that I should have stuck with the 12-6-9 layout model, as it would certainly be more reliable (due to less parts) and a better looking date window. Unfortunately, the only "new model" Navitimer I've seen with that configuration is the Series Speciale, which has a tacky caseback. I am sure in due course, other models will appear. I actually like the watch enough that I would consider getting another with the correct configuration!

I just received a black-dialed Navitimer which I had order from Ruby! It is a beeeautiful watch, with very intricated fashioned dial, hands, and case. The big surprise was the distinct purpleish tinge of the AR coating on the inside of the crystal... overall, a beautiful piece.

My only complaint is that given the subdial layout, with the 3-6-9 configuration, the movement needed a whole bunch of additional gears under the dial, to make the 7750 movement work properly (the conventional layout of the 7750 is a 6-9-12 subdial arrangement). As such, there is a big gap between the dial and the actual movement, to accomodate for the added gearing. This creates a "sunken" look to the date window, which is much more pronounced on the actual watch than those pictures shown by the dealer.

I am wondering if i could correct this by filling in the gap, by gluing on ANOTHER datewheel ON TOP of the existing one, in effect creating a raised date wheel, which would fill up the gap between the dial and the movement? Do you guys think this would be feasible? I would be interested in knowing if anyone has attempted this, and where I may be able to source a date wheel for the 7750?

Thanks Infinitime. As they say, it's all Chinese to me!

You're welcome! I actually had an opportunity to visit one of these plants in Shenzhen last year, when I was in China on business. Contrary to popular belief of a sweatshop operation, the factory was quite new and extremely clean, with the factory works in white-overalls seated at rolls of tables, assembly-line fashion. This particular factory was a subcontractor for an ETA affilitate, which manufactured and assembled the cases, crystals and steel bracelets for an unspecified medium-tier Swiss marque (given the case design, it was easily recognizable). I was told that the plant was set up to run three shifts per day of seven hours each, with the 3 remaining hours used for maintenance... Yes, you heard right, the plant runs essentially 24 hours a day!!!

With a nudge and a wink, my guide told me that the plant often produced surplus inventory, which was sold to "secondary customers" for "other" applications. Without giving away too much, he basically hinted that the overproduction was deliberate, and used for rep watches. Apparently, quite a few of the legitimate sub-contractors did this. If this guy was to be taken at his word, at least some of the parts used in the reps are genuine, or at least manufactured by the same people who make the genuine parts.

Another piece of information which came as a surprise to me, apparently the unit price of the cases charged of the Swiss company was LESS than for the "secondary customers". That means that the Swiss companies are actually paying less for their parts, then the rep dealers are paying! (Due to the volume of the order i imagine).

Overall, an interesting trip. In a subsequent phone conversation with the representative I spoke with, he quickly changed the topic when I raised questions about the "secondary customers"... I guess he got in trouble with his superiors for sharing too much information...

I couldn't figure out the part about Guangdong, because I've always read about Guangzhou as the watch capital of China, but Paul apparently lives in Guangdong and his bank's in Guangzhou. I guess Guangdong is a suburb of Guangzhou, maybe.

Guangzhou is the capital city of Guangdong province. Shenzhen is a smaller city, which is also in Guangdong province. Most of the reps sole by our dealers are manufactured either in Shenzhen or in the suburbs of Guangzhou.

i see it now.

looks like the running seconds are at 9 o'clock, possibly a 7750 based watch?

I think Seiko uses their own movements exclusively, and would not be using a Valjoux 7750. Further, I have seen this configuration on various Seiko QUARTZ chronographs... I think it is a Seiko quartz movement.

Looks like I'm the only one still waiting... payment was sent on August 17th, 2006, but due to lack of inventory, Ruby advised that it was finally sent on August 26th, albeit through another city other than Guangzhou. I have the EMS tracking number, but it doesn't show up on their website. Am now getting a bit anxious, any input?

Hi guys, has anyone else received their Navitimer from Ruby yet? I was told that due to more vigorous inspections at the Guangzhou customs, my item is being routed to another city for mailing... I was given an EMS tracking number, but after 5 days, the number has to be inputted onto the system???

Has anyone else received their little package yet?

I would say your higher end eta replicas around $250-300 are far better quality than alot of other brands in that price range. It is damn near impossible to walk into any watch store with $300 and come out with a decent automatic watch. Alot of stores sell quartz for that much. However, we give up warranties and ability to walk into any watch store and have are watches worked on. So in terms of quality you get a watch that is atleast equal in quality to most brands in similar price ranges. But there are a few brands that will give you slighty better bang for your buck. Just my opinion...

I agree wholeheartedly. The general quality of the higher-end reps are comparable to genuine mid-tier Swiss pieces. For example, I think that the TH Link rep is at least as good as a genuine Sandoz automatic (with the same movement), or a Swiss Army automatic watch. Given that most of the mid-tier Swiss automatics use the same ETA movements, it is not a reach to suggest that they are on par.

The biggest difference, of course, is that we are foregoing legitimate post-sale service, which is one of the benefits of buying genuine.

Hi Ubi! I hope I qualify as well! Would really appreciate it if you could send the dealer's info! Thanks!

I have a FM Conquistador 2892 and a Tag Heuer Link (non-chrono) rep. Both are in my opinion very accurate, and use the same movements as the genuines... The Tag Heuer has been inspected by an authorized dealer, who "confirmed" that it was real! (I told him I bought it for a good price on Ebay, and he said that it was probably stolen, but definitely real).

I too got a response from Ruby, indicating that my order may be delayed by 3 days, as she does not have the model I want in stock. However, I am not at all worried, given her strong track record and good reputation.

In the greater realm of things, the success of any marketplace is defined by vibrant competition. The more sellers there are, the better the level of service and quality of product to the consumer.

I for one, am glad to see Ruby join the ranks of Joshua and Andrew as a reputable seller to our little community!

I will post pictures when I receive my watch.

Welcome to the forum Ruby!

To make it perfectly clear to everyone I will just paste an email I got from Ruby:

I think for ease of identification, it may assist Ruby if we can provide a reference code of sorts, confirming that our payments are part of this group order.... may I propose that all payments be marked "RWG1"?