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... maybe the correct dial will not be a Holy Grail anymore soon...

... but forget what I said...

I cant forget....I cant forget any news?

Any news about the new 202a dials ?

I have been looking for this thread for the longest time. When I read it I really felt we were onto something good here. Whatever happened? Anybody hear from Lello?

and well we all know about the lever pins

ummmm.....I don't........please elaborate. I just bought a Davidsen Ti.

I just placed the new cannon pin in (from the replacement practice movement I just got). It still was not tall enough. So I used the tip given in this thread (about filing down the minute hand). It works. I used 220 grit sand paper and sanded it down. I pressed it on.....with the wrong tip, and scratched the paint off the hand. Nice. So, I used a black perm marker on it and you know what, it doesn't look bad. I will have to give it the ole look in the sun tommorow and see if I need to buy a new set of hands because that color black seems to turn purple if memory serves me right....but for now it looks fine. Man what a pain in the [censored] it is keeping all the dust off the dial and the inside of the crystals. Had to take it apart twice after my first install. Anyhoo, I will look at it tommorrow and see how it looks in the sun. Keep you posted.

I am satisfied with the perm marker results. In sunlight you really have to look for the chipped paint edge to see the problem area. If you know where the problem is, you can see it, but I know where it is and I had to look at it several times to locate it. The tell lies more wth the thickness of the paint than the color of the paint. I will eventually purchase a new set of hands if the paint comes off or fades, but for now......no way useless cause. What is more outstanding now is the shiney cannon pin fix which looks really good when sitting flush.

Also to add another tip for other first timers...the hands bend very easily. Look at the profile of the watch after the install or in other words look at the horizon of the watch and make sure the hands were not bent while installing the hands. My minute hand was bend down slightly from my careless pushing and needed to be leveled off before I placed the movement into the case. Beautiful job all in all. Hope this helped someone.

cool,i contacted navigater and he has correct parts.now i need the best lume for a sandwich dial.

I just placed the new cannon pin in (from the replacement practice movement I just got). It still was not tall enough. So I used the tip given in this thread (about filing down the minute hand). It works. I used 220 grit sand paper and sanded it down. I pressed it on.....with the wrong tip, and scratched the paint off the hand. Nice. So, I used a black perm marker on it and you know what, it doesn't look bad. I will have to give it the ole look in the sun tommorow and see if I need to buy a new set of hands because that color black seems to turn purple if memory serves me right....but for now it looks fine. Man what a pain in the [censored] it is keeping all the dust off the dial and the inside of the crystals. Had to take it apart twice after my first install. Anyhoo, I will look at it tommorrow and see how it looks in the sun. Keep you posted.

I've got this......

vaclumed sterile dial

You sellin it?

well,i'd post photos but i don't have a camera.is that weird?anyway i assure you it is a plain old undecorated swiss eta 6497.if i can find them i'm going to go with evildee's parts he listed. [240 and 250 ]

if you can, please post the results. I would love to know. Thanks.

PS. I recently purchased a practice Asian copy movement. It came with longer CP and HW. I will let you know the size and if it works tommorrow when I work on the watch.

man this gets confusing.i have a SWISS eta to modify.confident i can do the work.are the above photos the correct parts or not?i guess i can buy the shorter H2 and the H3 if worse comes to worse.try it and see,right?

The CP is friction fit so I don't know if I would change these pieces around experimentally. I am not gonna do it until I know I have the right parts. In other words, when working on cars, I would never try to use a Ford tire and "see" if it will work on a Toyota. I am not a watchsmith, but I know from other metal working that everytime you mess with a friction fit piece the connection loosens a little everytime. I think the same rule would apply here. Just a guess though.

I am trying to find an answer as well on the CP and HW sizes, when/if I do, I will post them on this thread.

.....you say you have the swiss ETA movement in your watch. after alot of previous research on here (unrelated to this thread, but about the Panerai rep movement) and my own personal experience with my own watches, I have found that although the Asian distributors claim that you are buying the Swiss ETA Panerai...its still just an Asian copy and therefore you will need the CP and HW swap. You sure you have a gen ETA? Every watch with a gen ETA (that I have known about) does not need the mod. If it is a gen ETA and it needs a mod that proves there are several sizes out there for the ETA and thus ,why should you waste your time and money on the wrong part. Let me know, I am curious....BTW pics would really help. You know what they say a picture is worth a thousand words. Good Luck. I'm working on this same issue too so we should def. share info about this issue.

Carefull. There are several heights available. The correct height cannon pinion and hour wheel may not be as displayed for the Asian 6497mod. Those may be the correct replacement parts for an ETA, but are those the correct height for the Asian mod we are doing. I found there are three or four different hieghts available from ETA. I believe I read the CP should be 3.15mm and the HW should be 2.15mm. Correct me if I am wrong. (Source=Cousins)

what do i need for a longer cannon pinion on my 127?it is a base eta 6497.anybody have part numbers?

I dont get it either. No one seems to want to touch this topic. I think I will use these words ("cannon pinion mod") to stop all RWG disagreements and arguments in the future. With one phrase all communication ceases on RWG......Hey, this is better than being the moderator of this site. Think of the power implications

Oh ok, so just a standard dial from Josh would be an alright starting point? Obviously I'll send it off to get lumed but standard is basically as good as anything else?

Law, you dont have to take one mans opinion. I believe the old DSN dial was one of the best 111h. It solved many of the obvious tells.....ie the spacing under the #6 and the incorrect font used for the "A" Yes, to a rep nerd like some of us on here, we could tell the difference, but for the most part, I would take an old DSN over a standard dial in a heart beat. With a lume job, you would really have something to be desired. The standard dial still have the most obvious tells from arms length. Again, this is one mans opinion.

LOL.

Nice to compare your cannon pin modding with a serious illness.

He can dish it very well and this shows he can take it as well as he can dish it. He's alright in my book. Seriously, I do not wish harm on his eye sight, I was drinking when I posted that and admittedly, it was not well thought out. All ribbing aside, I hope you get better soon.

Nice workstation. Pics are too small though, cannot see the details.

pics came out fine on another watch forum, but I don't know if I am allowed to promote other sites on here. Thanks for the kind comments. Please feel free to post pics of your workstation!!! Can always use new ideas.

Cant see the details but would buy one in a heart beat

Just out of curiosity....this same idea was suggested to me by several friends who saw this desk in person. How much do you think it is worth? Curious to see if it would be worth my time to build them for RWGers. Just puttin out my "feelers". Its a great way to store all my tools and gives me a portable work area and I figured I would not be the only person who would like this idea. I couldn't find anything like this on the net, cause I was gonna buy one if I did. Again some things are better handled on your own so I just built it. Took about 1 week to build this prototype. I think the layout is perfect for a service station. For more techincal work you obviously need a bigger work location with more tools but this will suit me for all the work I will need to do.

Dont know how that happened....sorry for the tiny pics. I cant get them to blow up. Any tips on getting them to blow up will be appreciated.

A little info on the work station. The shape was designed keeping several things in mind. Positioning of the lighting. Tools pushed back and out of the way. An extended portion of the desk to bring my work area close to my chest. Height. When the front and back of the desk are clamped together, the hieght prevents neck and back pain. And lastly, a mint green color for contrasting the sand grain sized screws when I ricochet them off the backboard area of the desk. The foam felt lined cutouts were done by me also, but my girl and her best friend did the sewing of the felt.

Kinda long winded. Anyway, you remember when I was trying to make a point on here? You posted this cute pic. I think I should send it back to you now....seems kinda fitting.

I couldn't get any help so I did it myself. I custom built this workstation and box to carry all my watch tools in. I tore down the 6497...and more importantly, rebuilt it. All is well. Gonna purchase the taller cannon pin and be done with it.

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Moron.

Dont be so hard on yourself. We still love you dispite your bad manners. !!!!

So after hearing everything said so far, what kind of person do you think you are? Come on you can say it.....a...

I will say that a DSN with C3 superluminova not only looks great, but I can say that I can easily view my watch when I wake up in the morning (7a). This applies to the entire dial and the hands. Most of the good Pan reps coming out now have hands that can be seen in the morning. *Sidenote*The last light my watch sees (due to my profession) is around 6p.

It's one thing to appeal for help......but not when you combine it with a hatchet job on a senior highly respected member....

Why do you think you know who I am talking about? Was my description so accurate that it only leaves one person? If the truth hurts...don't defend, let the truth work its magic. Perhaps the outspoken modders that finally stepped out of the woodwork on this thread felt some guilt in there own minds for treating people like my description and wanted to protect their own guilty behavior and the way they treat others. Hey, my charactar is healing already after your direct slam. Nobody is perfect, or perhaps we should bring up some comments left about you on here right?

Listen I am not saying I have a spotless charactar by any means, we all need work, I am saying I asked for help privately from this guy twice and then moved past him when I recieved no responces and then I asked publicly two other times for any modders help. No modders stood up until I placed this thread. Then out of the woodwork they come. Honestly at this point, I think I just shot myself in my own foot with several very good modders, but I ask and hope they understand I didn't mean to insult anyone...or I would have put the persons name I was referring to out there. I was just getting discouraged with the lack of assistance and my words apparently revealed my feelings. I mean, its discouraging when you consider buying $300.00 worth of tools to do the work yourself. I know better than that. I feel discouraged and my words came out wrong. I apologize.

Bottom line (from my stand point), I wanted and still want to pay to have the job done right whatever the cost or wait time...think about where I started.....it certainly was not from this point.

BTW, thanks to those who gave advise on the plug/pin mod. You just taught me something else. See I am learning.

You have been give all the options. There is no cheap fix!

Get it?

What I get is TWP and RBJ. They is the only two suggestions....and they are ment as insults....although I have never dealt with these guys and do not intent to insult them as the other two guys on here did. Any other suggestions, because I want my options open?

I need modders to step forward here and offer to do this job, or give me names of modders to contact. I know I can not be alone on this....eveybody does not want to attend a one horse show. He has plenty of work due to his excellent quality and I am not knocking that, but I am sure someone else can do a professional job as well. Forget about cheap fixes...although I think it is always possible to think outside the box.

So you just insulted one of the most valuable members of our forum who finds time to give free repair advice to people having problems and now you just breezily move on to another topic?

What is wrong with you anyway?

Would you rather I address every attack on me and make this ugly. My true problem resides in the fact that I would like the major flaw of my watch corrected.

I have asked several times for help then finally I have to get insultive to get this much responce...and I am the bad guy. I now see alot of modders come out of the woodwork who took this personal, but never took the time to say anything when I asked for help. I never said I didnt want to pay anyone to have the job done. I just said I wanted help. So why don't you get on the people who haven't stepped up to offer help. I have not insulted anyones workmanship or the cost the modders charge. I did say that I was not happy with being treated like I wasn't requesting help. You know sometimes people say things they really don't mean when they are treated as insignificant.

Looking at the hands on my watch...I would attach the plug-pin (with epoxy) to the minute hand and make sure the plug does not touch the cannon pin or hour hand. Sounds like a cool rep mod..you would just need to have someone who knows there way around a small lathe. Hmmm.

Geez touchy subject

....anyway, thinking outside the box....what about a non-functional pin plug mod that fills that small gap on the short cannon pin. I mean its just a cosmetic thing anyway right? So it will look more authentic? I am sure for a rep watch no one will cry foul if it is plugged instead of replaced with a genuine ETA part. After all there is nothing wrong with the original. The short pin is functional, would a plug (if pushed into the proper location/hand) effect the accuracy of the watch? You would obtain the gen look at a fraction of the cost. Thanks Tee for sticking up for the little man, I still cant afford a gen.