jaguar2187

I'll concede and say that a "Close Enough" PAM 092 (for example) won't draw me in as much as a "Ultimate" PAM 092 would.

But when you want to claim the title of "Ultimate", I'd like to see that many of the flaws that plagued the preceding model would be corrected (that's why there's second chances).

I'll admit that I started this posting because I recently purchased an 092 "Ultimate" and within a week of owning it all of a sudden the crown broke off its' stem, the CG became loose, the lug screws lost their threads, and the rotor stickers fell off! I could deal with all that becuase up until the 28th of this month, it does not affect the fuctionality of the watch.

Isn't it funny when something (anything) seems to work perfectly UNTIL it gets into your hands?

Your dead on man. And we are the pigeons!

Patience folks... If you'd done your research, you'd know that this is how it works with TTK. The upside is that you are guaranteed delivery and each piece was looked over (instead of dropshipped). Waiting a bit longer is a small price to pay for service like that, IMO.

SR

OMG.... but the money was sure quickly pulled out eh m8?

Not a gin drinker but my best mate is although I will need to shop around to see if it is available in Oz.

Ken

Kenny, M8....Maybe you should try Beefeater. It's really smooth.......you just might like it M8

Well...I don't think you need my feedback on "wacking your watch like a mad cow for 3-4 minutes"...and if it's a good thing or not.

RG

The Zigmeister....no pun intended...but on those cold Atlantic nights maybe this is what our dealer friends intended for us to be doin? Eh? And, not gearin' down!

And, trust me it's still up on a website close to us all (the procedure I mean..... as described above)

I dont' think there is anything to debate.

Hand winding an automatic will eventually damage the click wheel(s).

The rotor is geared down from the rotor to the mainspring, meaning many turns of the rotor are needed to turn the mainspring gear once around. Reverse the flow and what do you get...geared up of course...

When you handwind the watch, this gearing down is now geared up, and 1/4 of a turn on the crown, makes the click wheels spin like crazy. They are not designed to withstand this speed or friction, they are designed to work with the slow rotor turns. The click wheels are two parts, the bottom half is connected to the mainspring gear, and the top half connects to the Rotor. If you remove the rotor the damage issue is gone, since the complete click wheels turn while handwinding and the wheels are locked together, it's when the rotor is attached that the click wheel bottom half freewheels and the clutches are getting spun around and get damaged.

I see this type of damage all the time, if you handwind constantly, then eventually you will hear and feel the rotor spinning due to the click wheels failing...it's a well documented fact. Click wheels are anywhere from $30 and up...as long as they are available. This is why most Japanese automatics, do not have the capability for handwinding.

There is nothing wrong with s-l-o-w-l-y handwinding an automatic a few turns to get it started when you first put it on, anything beyond this, and your damaging the watch.

RG

@ The Zigmeister

I really appreciated your comments on handwinding automatics. But here to me is the clincher. Three of our dealers (two have since removed these words from their websites) give this type of info to their customers on their site when/after purchasing one of their products. The first part re date is excellent.

The Zigmeister your thoughts on this winding procedure and the wacking away for 3- 4 minutes like a mad cow?

A11. To avoid damaging the delicate mechanisms of the Valjoux 7750b1

movement you need to follow the instructions listed below to take care

of it:

If your Valjoux 7750b1 has DATE function, DO NOT ADJUST the date when

your time is between 10:00 to 3:00. It will damage the internal gears

unknowingly if you do that. The BEST WAY is to manually adjust the time

to 6:00 and then adjust the DATE after that.

If you are using the chronograph functions of the Valjoux 7750b1,

always make sure that to start the stopwatch, you depress the pusher

button on top and also to STOP the stopwatch, depress the same pusher

button.

REMEMBER: START & STOP is TOP Pusher Button

ONLY after you STOP the stopwatch, then you depress the lower pusher

button to RESET the stopwatch function. DO NOT DEPRESS the lower pusher

button when the stopwatch function is running. ONLY Depress the lower

pusher button after you STOP the chronograph.

If you follow the instructions carefully, your watch will last you a

long time. Naturally watches may not last a lifetime since they aren't

made to COSC standards and neither are they SWISS GENEVE made or

stamped. Remember a replica is always a replica but do enjoy them as at

a fraction of the cost, these cosmetically perfect replicas are a joy

to wear, aren't they?

Some additional 7750/7750b1/7753 information

*Please read them before u play with your watch that has above movement

1. How do you set date on 7750 or 7753 or 7750b1 or any movt with date

chrono/ automatic?

Do not activate the chrono until you have done all these steps as

mentioned

When you receive your piece, please remember to handwind the piece for

about maybe 50 rounds, so to generate enough power reserve. Then you

shake the piece like a "mad cow" for 3-4 minutes to generate more power

reserve (If necessary)

Then pull the crown out to adjust the hour hand manually to determine

when is am/pm. See the date change - then you will know when is am/ pm.

Make sure you know when is am/ pm before you proceed

Make sure you do not adjust the date between 10pm-3am ever!!! Do not

ask me why because it just works this way. if you adjust between

10pm-3am, the date will jam or go half way.

After u have confirmed the am/ pm.u can adjust the crown to get to the

desired date you want.

What you have written is very much true and very frustrating for most of us members.

All that you mentioned is not what this forum should accept and hide away from. Similarly, the dealers that are recognized by RWG (as the best to buy from) should act on the high level that this media holds them. What bothers me is that there seems to be less and less competitive pricing amongst our favorite few and one would almost think 'price fixing' exists betwix these dealers. If you've ever had the chance to visit China, visit the places were these watches are made. One would soon appreciate the profit margins dealers are enjoying. Couple this with the continued increasing watch pricing then one could assume that collusion between the dealer group exists and we the members become their patsies.

Again, as a newbie that has been doing extensive readings of this site as well as the others a monopoly should not exist in a capitalist market most of us live in. Suppy, demand plus quality dictates price not like what OPEC and the retail oil companies are doing to us today.

There is my two cents on a sensitive subject matter some may wish to avoid!