+1
There are many kinds of entry-level gens that can not be considered as a unit. I wouldn't even call Invictas gens. My 1 Invicta, and the Invictas that friends have had are all garbage. Seikos, on the other hand, have been nothing but good to me. As I've said before on this board, my Orange Monster can go for weeks without getting more than 30 seconds off. I love my reps, but if I'm going swimming, I'm wearing a Seiko diver and nothing else. Also, I want to put in a good work for Hamilton. I have a khaki chrono which has never disappointed. They can be had inexpensively online, and are really great values. In fact, a Jazzmaster is likely the next watch I get. Just get the right watch for the right situation.