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UPDATE -- For those who have not been following the frustrating & near daily trials & tribulations of this build on RWI, the work has been painfully slow, but is nearly complete. 2 items remain on my to-do list -- 1. The bezel insert in the pic is just sitting loose in the bezel channel. On this particular 'clone', the insert is held in with a ring of adhesive instead of being pressed into the bezel like the gen. I am awaiting the bezel adhesive ring, which should be here by tomorrow or Friday. I would have preferred a press-fit insert, but since there is no difference in the external appearance & pressing these ceramic inserts is a risky (ie, expensive to replace when they crack) proposition, I can live with it. 2. For some reason, unlike the 1165xx Daytona clones I have worked on, although the gen balance/bridge fits perfectly, it does not function properly in these 3186 'clone' movements. I think the balance rim may be coming into contact with the main plate, which suggests that either the gen balance staff pivots are shorter than the 'clone' pivots, or the cap jewels are positioned differently, or the pallets or pallet stones may be oriented differently. So, for now at least, I will not be able to install the display caseback since the lack of a free-sprung balance is a dead-give-away. My plan is to disassemble my original 3186 'clone', fit only the balance to the main plate & see where the problem lies -- & fix it. But with all of the externally visible gen parts installed, this thing definitely looks & feels the part. In addition to eliminating the very minor tells that existed in my original ETA-powered 116710LN franken (a few months ago, I swapped the ETA for a generic '3186' I sourced on ebay that mostly fit), it also feels a bit weightier & more solid. I am not quite sure what is causing the greater solidity, but it is definitely something you can feel when holding or wearing this watch. Like the Big Kahuna, even out of the box, Andrew's GMT is quite wearable with a degree of confidence. Where the out-of-the-box 'clone' falls short is the AR coating on the cyclops, which is described as 'With light AR on Cyclops like Genuine'. I do not see it. Having done a bit of research & experimentation on this subject a dozen or more years ago (there is a thread or 2 on RWG if you care to spend the time to search this forum), if there is AR on the cyclops, it is insufficient to create that very identifiable (from across the room) 'black hole effect' over the date that gen crystals are known when light hits the entire crystal -- & that unmistakable rainbow you see in normal (non-reflecting) light (see pic below of my watch with gen crystal installed). Also, like the Big Kahuna, because this is the original style of 116710 with the plain black bezel insert, it is no longer 1 of today's IT watches. So I think most who see it in the wild assume it must be gen because those original ceramic GMTs are now several years old & no longer a fixation of youtubers, flippers & grey marketeers. After the bezel insert has been properly installed, I will post some wristies of the finished watch.

Nice watch, but I love that case! What is the story behind this? Wearing the Big Kahuna (at right) today --

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Does anyone make a rep of the Mojave colorways? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I guess that will make things easy then.... 😔 Thanks!

Unfortunately not. It's a Chinese ETA 7750 clone. Valjoux 72 is a manual wind movement.

Would I be correct in thinking that this is an ETA/Valjoux 72? or not ..? (Shanghai 3L, or Liaoning Peacock, or ..)

Can you show a pic of the movement from the back to see whether it is a v72. You wouldn't want to buy v72 hands and dial only to realise it is an st19.

Thanks! Definitely no original parts for this project, that would be prohibitive expensive indeed. I was interested in (good quality) non-original parts. Any suggestions? A possibility could also be to get a non-working 6263 and use the dial/hands/bracelet. My mov and case seems just fine. Thanks!

Pics?

As long as you are using a V72 or clone, aside from ebay, there are a number of parts sellers (eg, MQ) that specialize in these parts. I would recommend sitting down & having your blood pressure medicine nearby when reviewing pricing.

Hi there - I would like to build a a Daytona 6263. I think I have the EE6263 case with a movement that "might" be the copy of the V72 (not 100% sure though). I would need parts: - dial - hands - bracelet Does anybody have these for sale?

IWC XVI today

Trusty is a reliable seller, but I would recommend selecting 1 specific DJ model (steel, 2-tone, size, dial color/design, etc.) BEFORE you buy anything. There are many options out there & they are even more confusing if you do not have a good understanding of what the real thing looks, feels & functions like. Once you are familiar with the gen, it will be alot easier to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. In other words, all reps contain inaccuracies relative to gens, that is part of the reason gens cost so much more than reps. Once you have the target selected, spend time researching THAT particular gen model by visiting an authorized dealer (AD) or 2 & handling/operating that particular model (or the closest DJ model to the 1 you want that they have on display), so you know how they look, feel & function in person. Then spend some time googling pics of the gen from all angles, including the interior/movement, to familiarize yourself & get accustomed to the appearance of the gen. This will make it easier to weed out those reps whose inaccuracies bother you the most, so you can participate in fine tuning your selection. Once you have educated yourself, you will be better able to ask relevant questions (that is what RWG is good for) & understand the answers. Asking questions like 'Which Sub is best?' is not likely to return many responses or result in meaningful answers if you do not know how gens differ from reps. You will save yourself alot of heartache by researching the real thing BEFORE searching the spider web of reps. As you have found, there are multiple options/features/style/quality. In this case, price does NOT necessarily mean 'best'. You may be paying for extra features within the movement that you will never see & that may not be worth it to pay extra for. On the other hand, you may want to consider a version that contains more 1:1 'clone' parts, which is important if you later decide to improve your rep by swapping things like the dial, handset, crown or some movement parts for either better performance or to make your rep look closer to the gen (real thing).

I order this one from trusty came today. you can not go wrong with him

Noob here... I am interested in acquiring a DateJust 41mm. It seems like Trustytime is a reputable seller... however on his site, there are several watches that look the same but with different specs. I was hoping someone could recommend which one to get? Or is it the case of "buy the most expensive one you can afford"? Examples below. Also if anyone has an alternate TD to source from, please let me know. $298: EWE Factory 41mm DateJust 904L 126334 MOVEMENT: A3235 Automatic Movement, 28800bph with Fully Decorated Rotor and Bridges & Plates like Genuine Rolex Calibre 3235 $318 R2DJ0419A - DJ2 41mm Oys SS/SS Blue/Stk EWF A3235 EWF Factory Rolex 41mm DateJust MOVEMENT: Asia Clone 3235 Automatic Movement, 28800bph with Fully Decorated Rotor and Bridges & Plates $348 R2DJ0434 - DJ2 41mm Jub Flt SS/SS Blue/Stk RRF VR3235 RRF Factory 41mm DateJust MOVEMENT: Japanese Miyota 8215 Automatic Movement, 21600bph CASE DIAMETER: 41mm THICKNESS: 12mm $368 R2DJ0405B - DJ2 41mm Jub Flt 904L SS/SS Blue/Stk ZF A2824 ZF Factory 41mm DateJust Jubilee Edition 904L Stainless Steel Made with Genuine Rolex Datejust 41mm 1:1 MOVEMENT: Nickel Plated Asia 2824-2... $398 R2DJ0406C - DJ2 41mm Jub Flt 904L SS/SS Blue/Stk DIWF A3235 DIW Factory 41mm DateJust Jubilee Edition 904L Stainless Steel Made with Genuine Rolex Datejust 41mm 1:1 MOVEMENT: A3235 Automatic Movement $438 R2DJ0430B - DJ2 41mm Jub Flt 904L SS/SS Blue-P/Stk GMF V2 VR3235 GMF Factory V2 41mm DateJust 904L Stainless Steel Made with Genuine Rolex Datejust 41mm 1:1 MOVEMENT: VR3235 Automatic Movement, 28800bph $428 R2DJ0421A - DJ2 41mm Jub Flt 904L SS/SS Blue-M/Stk JVS VR3235 JVS Factory 41mm DateJust Jubilee Edition 904L Stainless Steel Made with Genuine Rolex Datejust 41mm 1:1 MOVEMENT: VR3235 Automatic Movement $528 R2DJ0445A - DJ2 41mm Oys Flt 904L SS/SS Blue-P/Stk Clean VR3235 Clean Factory 41mm DateJust 904L Stainless Steel Made with Genuine Rolex Datejust 41mm 1:1 MOVEMENT: Asia Clone 3235 Automatic Movement, 28800bph...

Hi Alligoat, thanks for your reply!! I almost was about to give up! Trusty has great merchandise without a doubt! I recall Silix-prime had one exactly like the one I wanted and I procrastinated on it thinking that I could always get one as I had other priorities at the time. Then when I went to load their webpage, months later ,they had disappeared! They normally kept a lot of stock not normally sold by other dealers and I really feel like kicking myself for not having done something.about it before they closed up!

My absolute favourite DJ

Thanks, yes it’s a gen.

I know nothing about Longines, but here's a link to Trusty's Longines Legend https://trustytime88.io/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=134&products_id=25501 This 42mm, and from what I've read, the 39mm is a newer iteration. Maybe a used on on Chrono24 might be in your budget.

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