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I'm a noob that did business with Mike... As he said, you have to start somewhere... So please give them a chance. Saying that, nobody likes the Wild West..noobs even more so as we are more likely to get scammed. Mike and I had a lot of dialog before we transacted, and I certainly had a confidence level based on that, as I'm sure did he. One thing you could do, is perhaps look for trading experience on other types of forums...as whilst new to this forum and watches as a whole, I think a lot of noobs may be frequent forum users on other topics... Example, I'm a AV guy, with 15+ years posts and trading history on AVforums, with significant trading history.... Maybe such things could be used as a basis to work out 'credible forum use'. scammers and sharks always exist, but I like this forum because it welcomes noobs to the hobby, this in turn has led to both private and dealer transactions, fuelling the Rep economy.....if you make the barriers to entry too high, membership will stunt and then people will moan that there is no activity... And the economy will slow for all involved. I'd like the forum to self police... Especially the sales threads.... There are a lot of experts here who can an do share opinions on sales threads.... More of it please! I've now bought 5 reps in 4 months.... If the forum had been too blocking, I'd have considered it to closed and likely not gotten involved. Keep on buying, I have the bug Kev

I ordered this in place of my Explorer II 216570, which I finally gave up on. I didn't think I would like it or keep it. Out of all the brands, I think Breitling is the one of the toughest to replicate. They have a look and fit/finish that I've never seen duplicated convincingly. Everything is right about this one. They nailed the feel of the bezel, the look of the AR, the high polish on the case, the bracelet fit and finish. It's about perfect. I'm sure you could nitpick and find something off a bit, but I'm not sure why you would buy the gen. It's really that good

First off we know why, PP down can not lock out our senior guys. Ok I get it, now how to keep some modicum of order. Minimum posts or time combination of both, references boy who is going to track that. yes we have feedback but everyone has to get started. It seems the word is out that we are wide open. I for one do not want to spend my time checking out guys claims from other boards or non-vetted dealers and I'm sure neither do you. Our admins who donate their time would have to live here to monitor we need some rules till we get payment system working. I guess I can be told "so don't buy off guys unless you know them" this is not an answer it is a cop-out." Are we so indifferent that we just accept it....................(your thoughts) P.S. I have sold to two fairly new low post members in the last month or so no problems, they post now and are contributing members. I tried to help them, much interaction via PM and it worked out well. All new people are not bad, we need new members but we must balance this against the rash of watch unloaders hitting our shores."

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There's no right way to deal with the sales threads atm until Paypal or something very similar is up and running so that members can easily upgrade and pay their subs in, I'm damn sure that admin are trying their very best to sort this out, after all it's them that are losing money here not the membership. I agree with any business that runs itself for it's honest clientele, you will always have an element of scammers etc but generally they don't last long here and they don't cause too much grief for the membership as a whole as they are outed fairly quickly, that said when a noob member gets fucked over it gets my gut going, older members should really know better than do a deal with someone who is offering something that is to good to be true and I consider myself a noob too! As for ways to solve the dodgy sales etc, a couple that have been tossed around that I think made sense For members that were Platinum/ViP before the PP issues came up and only yearly subs members, reinstate them as such until they can sort out Payza payment, give them 3 mth grace. Minimum post counts, I think if we had a count of say 10 before a noob can even view the trade sections and 100 before they can sell anything, unless of course they Pay to upgrade via Payza. These couple of measures I think would help, but in all honesty you still won't stop all the scammers, they are motivated by one thing and that is parting you from your hard earned for bugger all in return Tread your own path............. Edit: To add that when I first joined I did so because I loved the place, great people abound with a wealth of knowledge of horology that is hard to beat, I was not in it to buy a watch from the forum but to gather the knowledge I needed to buy a decent rep watch, which incidently led me to buy a Gen instead (to many dodgy reps!) but my point is that my first purchase was from a Trusted Dealer....not from the boards

"For The Marine Who Has Everything" Marines have a sharp dress uniform, but that watch wouldn't fit in with the dress blues. It'd be OK with their service uniform. But if they wore that in a combat zone, the first glint off the hands would generate a whole bunch of incoming.

pretty soon you'll only be allowed to sell to family members!