i,ve tried everything short of steroids and the only thing that remotely works is creatine and caffeine.creatine will make you gain some water weight and give you big pumps but its effects lessen over time.i,ve been a competitive olympic lifter and a powerlifter with some pretty good lifts to my credit.what works is hard work,no excuses,clean food,and SLEEP.without busting your balls even steroids suck.anyway,i think roids are for people with some sort of emotional problems to begin with.my 2 cents.good luck.