I agree with most of the comments here. What a shame that decent cars are bought by [censored]heads who bring the whole marque down. Back in the early eighties in my pre [censored]head days, I bought a beautiful silver BMW520, not even fuel injected, but it was much admired. My 635csi was a monster too, but I had to wear a sheepskin coat at all times to fit the image. Lexus are great cars. I have an ES300 at the moment which is just like floating on air, but it does wallow on the corners a bit (a big bit). Perhaps Greg, you should invert your image and get an old Citroen 2CV. That should scare the rabbits